Ottoman Bichaq help

Kubur · 2nd March 2015, 09:30 AM

Habibi
I have the same marks on a blunderbuss.
I will post some photos tonight.
There are stamps on the silver parts.
My blunderbuss is from Algeria.
It's possible that your bishaq comes from North Africa too...
Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 2nd March 2015, 06:51 PM

The photos

Battara · 3rd March 2015, 01:04 AM

Already helpful, thank you. Although my bichaq is Ottoman, the empire also included Algeria as well.

Battara · 4th March 2015, 10:56 PM

I was originally thinking that this was more Balkan due to the silver motif and style used. I did not think that the same motif and style was also used in Algeria, even though it was part of the empire.

Kubur · 5th March 2015, 10:17 AM

Hi Battara

It is from Algeria and Ottoman.
I will post later some examples with the same plain and simple hilt/grip.
Exactly like yours.

Plus surprisingly when I did some researches about this bichaq I found yours on a very famous dealer website
https://www.antiqueswords.com/produc...q-ca-1830.html

kronckew · 5th March 2015, 03:39 PM

knice knife. me like. outta my price range tho.

Battara · 5th March 2015, 04:10 PM

Yes Kubir, it originally came from him, although I didn't get from him directly (did some trade of some of my restoration work.......)

estcrh · 6th March 2015, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I will post later some examples with the same plain and simple hilt/grip.
Exactly like yours.

Kubur I would like to see your examples as I have never seen another one with the same grip shape Kubur as the one that Battara posted.

estcrh · 6th March 2015, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Battara

It is from Algeria and Ottoman.

Plus surprisingly when I did some researches about this bichaq I found yours on a very famous dealer website
https://www.antiqueswords.com/produc...q-ca-1830.html

This dealer also makes states no reason why this is being described as an "Algerian" weapon.

Quote:

A good Ottoman Algerian Bichaq, ca. 1830

estcrh · 6th March 2015, 12:57 AM

The scabbard of this yatahan has a clear North African influence. The scabbard of the bichaq that battara posted looks like a typical Ottoman scabbard.

2nd March 2015, 06:51 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The photos Attached Images

6th March 2015, 12:57 AM	#10
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	The scabbard of this yatahan has a clear North African influence. The scabbard of the bichaq that battara posted looks like a typical Ottoman scabbard. Attached Images

2nd March 2015, 09:30 AM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Habibi I have the same marks on a blunderbuss. I will post some photos tonight. There are stamps on the silver parts. My blunderbuss is from Algeria. It's possible that your bishaq comes from North Africa too... Best, Kubur

3rd March 2015, 01:04 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Already helpful, thank you. Although my bichaq is Ottoman, the empire also included Algeria as well.

4th March 2015, 10:56 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I was originally thinking that this was more Balkan due to the silver motif and style used. I did not think that the same motif and style was also used in Algeria, even though it was part of the empire.

5th March 2015, 10:17 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Battara It is from Algeria and Ottoman. I will post later some examples with the same plain and simple hilt/grip. Exactly like yours. Plus surprisingly when I did some researches about this bichaq I found yours on a very famous dealer website https://www.antiqueswords.com/produc...q-ca-1830.html

5th March 2015, 03:39 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	knice knife. me like. outta my price range tho.

5th March 2015, 04:10 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Yes Kubir, it originally came from him, although I didn't get from him directly (did some trade of some of my restoration work.......)