Moro Tulip Kris (need Arabic/Jawi translation please)

Spunjer · 13th February 2015, 07:52 PM

sorry, a little late coming in this party, but yes, i second the Datu Piang translation, via a good friend of mine.
Col. J.T Van Orsdale was involved in the pursuit of Datu Ali, who, ironically was Datu Piang's son-in-law. Datu Piang was the ultimate politician at that time, siding with the Americans, for financial reasons. it was a custom of his to give foreign dignitaries and VIP's a souvenir, like a kris in this instance. this was intimated to me by Datu Piang's granddaughter. according to her, the Datu would have this room full of krises, lantakas, etc. just for this special reason.
as far as the gentleman who translated the Arabic script:a Maguindanaon friend who's wife is related to Datu Ali. big props in helping me out with this.

Ian, the gentleman in the center is not MG Wood. i'm attaching a picture of the General for future reference. also, i'm including a picture of Datu Ali.

Ian · 13th February 2015, 09:19 PM

Hi Ron:

Yes, I agree, maybe not Major General Wood. I was basing my possible ID on the picture below from the Library of Congress--similar moustache and shape of the face, but with a "number 1" haircut.

However, Wood would have been van Orsdale's commanding officer during the latter's time in Mindanao, and the logical person to occupy front and center of this picture.

Ian.

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Spunjer · 13th February 2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Hi Ron:

Yes, I agree, maybe not Major General Wood. I was basing my possible ID on the picture below from the Library of Congress--similar moustache and shape of the face, but with a "number 1" haircut.

However, Wood would have been van Orsdale's commanding officer during the latter's time in Mindanao, and the logical person to occupy front and center of this picture.

Ian.

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Yes, he was his commander. Interesting, the saga between Datu Ali and MG Wood. Basically, the Datu was a major pain in the neck to Wood for almost two years.
I wonder if that group picture was taken after his stint in Mindanao. he did do a year in Zamboanga after that

Battara · 14th February 2015, 04:33 AM

Thank you Ron for your intercession on this for me. Great info. I bow in your presence as well......

Yes Ali was the son-in-law and it was a grand and royal chase. In my opinion, Wood chose to know less about Moros and Filipinos according to my past readings of his work on the Philippines (very insulting) and on the book Moroland .

Now if only I could get some documentation regarding Piang's giving this to Van Orsdale............

13th February 2015, 07:52 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	sorry, a little late coming in this party, but yes, i second the Datu Piang translation, via a good friend of mine. Col. J.T Van Orsdale was involved in the pursuit of Datu Ali, who, ironically was Datu Piang's son-in-law. Datu Piang was the ultimate politician at that time, siding with the Americans, for financial reasons. it was a custom of his to give foreign dignitaries and VIP's a souvenir, like a kris in this instance. this was intimated to me by Datu Piang's granddaughter. according to her, the Datu would have this room full of krises, lantakas, etc. just for this special reason. as far as the gentleman who translated the Arabic script:a Maguindanaon friend who's wife is related to Datu Ali. big props in helping me out with this. Ian, the gentleman in the center is not MG Wood. i'm attaching a picture of the General for future reference. also, i'm including a picture of Datu Ali. Attached Images

13th February 2015, 09:19 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Resized picture Hi Ron: Yes, I agree, maybe not Major General Wood. I was basing my possible ID on the picture below from the Library of Congress--similar moustache and shape of the face, but with a "number 1" haircut. However, Wood would have been van Orsdale's commanding officer during the latter's time in Mindanao, and the logical person to occupy front and center of this picture. Ian. ---------- Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 13th February 2015 at 09:31 PM.

14th February 2015, 04:33 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Thank you Ron for your intercession on this for me. Great info. I bow in your presence as well...... Yes Ali was the son-in-law and it was a grand and royal chase. In my opinion, Wood chose to know less about Moros and Filipinos according to my past readings of his work on the Philippines (very insulting) and on the book Moroland . Now if only I could get some documentation regarding Piang's giving this to Van Orsdale............