Ciupaga (Shepherd's axe)

fernando · 10th February 2015, 01:06 PM

How old could this axe be, Wayne ?

kronckew · 10th February 2015, 04:59 PM

they sometimes have dates carved into them, i'll know more when it arrives. probably less than 100 yrs, ie. 'vintage' at a guess 40-50 yrs old.

they're from the mountain regions of Carpathia (werewolf and vampire counrty

) in Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Romania. they are called fokos, ciupga, rabanica, uobuszek, cekanka, or valaška, depending on the region. Generic term is 'shepherd's axe'.

some of my other shepherd's axes: assorted ages

the oldest i think is the tiger striped one, it has a brass head, fairly sharp edge, but has a sheet metal blade guard that covers the edge and is screwed on to the blade - a requirement added post ww1, i've heard. later/earlier ones dispense with it. later ones post ww2 are very dull, earlier ones were very sharp and dangerous, and generally steel. the earlier ones have a steel alpine spike with a tang set into a hole in the end and collared with a brass or steel bolster. later ones have an integral socketed spike stuck on the butt. i suspect the tiger stripe is from the 30's. the steel bearded fokos is fairly new. i hafted it am couple of years ago.

the one underneath with the ash haft still barked is made with a bronze head. the head was reportedly a roman one from the balkans that i got at a to-good-to-be-true price. i tell people it is so old that the haft has been replaced 5 times and the head twice.

fernando · 10th February 2015, 07:25 PM

Yes, 'vintage' ... and ethno !

kronckew · 10th February 2015, 08:37 PM

european ethno

kronckew · 15th February 2015, 01:29 PM

ciupaga arrived, semi-sharp brass head, haft well carved, 'ZAKOPANE' carved on one side, no date. brass but spike inset in butt, sheet brass bolster. languet and rings are brass, some tarnish between the rings & along the middle. brass head appears shiny new, but is covered in a clear varnish as is the wood.

appears to be a traditionally made ciupage for those who visit zakopane in their travels. latter half of the 20th c. or so...ie. fairly new. will make a nice hiking stick. i imagine it will scare the bears, panthers and wolves as i hike the wilds of the cotswold mountains here. i probably won't see a one, they'll be too scared.

broadaxe · 16th February 2015, 10:54 AM

Aaaahhh, I collect them too. They may be found even with a legit aluminum head, that can be tell by the white tarnish and crude finish.
As a rule of thumb, only the Polish cuipagga is fitted with rings along its top spine; post WWII have fewer small diameter rings (usually of brass) while older ones have more rings of larger diameter, made of steel and overlapping each other.
My oldest one is dated 1888 and I have another one (finely made a looks like a custom presentation piece, not a touristic item)dated 1976 which I bought in Bratislava.
The photo is from 1910 hungary.

Enmetena · 18th February 2015, 01:19 PM

This is rather made for tourists. But I have some depictions from 17th cent:

First picture is probably late 16th cent woodcut depicting some party scene. Except not using sharp weapons so often, nothing really changed in mountains in this matter

Next two are from late 17th early 18th cent.
Drawings of axes are from Berestechko battle site (1651). You can see similar axes but I think slightly bigger.

10th February 2015, 04:59 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	they sometimes have dates carved into them, i'll know more when it arrives. probably less than 100 yrs, ie. 'vintage' at a guess 40-50 yrs old. they're from the mountain regions of Carpathia (werewolf and vampire counrty ) in Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Romania. they are called fokos, ciupga, rabanica, uobuszek, cekanka, or valaška, depending on the region. Generic term is 'shepherd's axe'. some of my other shepherd's axes: assorted ages the oldest i think is the tiger striped one, it has a brass head, fairly sharp edge, but has a sheet metal blade guard that covers the edge and is screwed on to the blade - a requirement added post ww1, i've heard. later/earlier ones dispense with it. later ones post ww2 are very dull, earlier ones were very sharp and dangerous, and generally steel. the earlier ones have a steel alpine spike with a tang set into a hole in the end and collared with a brass or steel bolster. later ones have an integral socketed spike stuck on the butt. i suspect the tiger stripe is from the 30's. the steel bearded fokos is fairly new. i hafted it am couple of years ago. the one underneath with the ash haft still barked is made with a bronze head. the head was reportedly a roman one from the balkans that i got at a to-good-to-be-true price. i tell people it is so old that the haft has been replaced 5 times and the head twice. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 10th February 2015 at 05:37 PM.

16th February 2015, 10:54 AM	#6
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Aaaahhh, I collect them too. They may be found even with a legit aluminum head, that can be tell by the white tarnish and crude finish. As a rule of thumb, only the Polish cuipagga is fitted with rings along its top spine; post WWII have fewer small diameter rings (usually of brass) while older ones have more rings of larger diameter, made of steel and overlapping each other. My oldest one is dated 1888 and I have another one (finely made a looks like a custom presentation piece, not a touristic item)dated 1976 which I bought in Bratislava. The photo is from 1910 hungary. Attached Images

18th February 2015, 01:19 PM	#7
Enmetena Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 7	This is rather made for tourists. But I have some depictions from 17th cent: First picture is probably late 16th cent woodcut depicting some party scene. Except not using sharp weapons so often, nothing really changed in mountains in this matter Next two are from late 17th early 18th cent. Drawings of axes are from Berestechko battle site (1651). You can see similar axes but I think slightly bigger. Attached Images

10th February 2015, 01:06 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	How old could this axe be, Wayne ?

10th February 2015, 07:25 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Yes, 'vintage' ... and ethno !

10th February 2015, 08:37 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	european ethno

15th February 2015, 01:29 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	ciupaga arrived, semi-sharp brass head, haft well carved, 'ZAKOPANE' carved on one side, no date. brass but spike inset in butt, sheet brass bolster. languet and rings are brass, some tarnish between the rings & along the middle. brass head appears shiny new, but is covered in a clear varnish as is the wood. appears to be a traditionally made ciupage for those who visit zakopane in their travels. latter half of the 20th c. or so...ie. fairly new. will make a nice hiking stick. i imagine it will scare the bears, panthers and wolves as i hike the wilds of the cotswold mountains here. i probably won't see a one, they'll be too scared.