Help Identify Ottoman Shamshir Sword

explorer6970 · 5th February 2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Interesting, I can not remember if I have seen this feature before, do you (or anyone else) have an image of an intact scabbard dust cover?

Attached is a picture I found on the internet depicting an intact scabbard. Mine is missing.

Hope someone can translate the writing and provide an estimate of age.

AJ1356 · 6th February 2015, 09:48 PM

This is a very nice example of a rehilted Persian Safawid shamshir. The Scabard would and hilt are ofcourse Ottomon, since these 2 dynasties unfortunately fought against each other a few times it is nothing unusual to see on side or another repurposing war bootie.
Anyways as requested there is the translation for the item.
بنده شاه ولایت عباس Banda e Shah e welaayat, 'Abaas. This means Slave of Shah e Welaayat 'Abaas (King 'Abaas Safawi) Shah e Welaayat is a Farsi name for Hazrat e Ali (RA) The Fourth Khalifa or the First Imam. Since the Safawids were fervent Shia's, this translation makes more sense. Note: This translation of this type of seal hereby nulifies any other translation of this seal

عمل اسد الله 'amal e Assadullah. Work of Assadullah, meaning he was the sword smith who made it or the sword smith whose shop this might have come out of.

The whole "ladder of Mohammad" does not make any sense since there is no such a thing as a "ladder of Mohammad" in the Islamic history, this is just some miss nomer. However ladder pattern or nardban (ladder in farsi) is an acceptable name for the ladder pattern.
I;m busy with school and thus am not posting as often, please feel free to messege me in the future if any questions

explorer6970 · 13th February 2015, 11:29 PM

Thanks to all who replied to this thread. Now I have to do some research on Asadollâh, and what the original hilt looked like. Evidently because these blades are high-quality they were re-purposed into new weapons.

6th February 2015, 09:48 PM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	This is a very nice example of a rehilted Persian Safawid shamshir. The Scabard would and hilt are ofcourse Ottomon, since these 2 dynasties unfortunately fought against each other a few times it is nothing unusual to see on side or another repurposing war bootie. Anyways as requested there is the translation for the item. بنده شاه ولایت عباس Banda e Shah e welaayat, 'Abaas. This means Slave of Shah e Welaayat 'Abaas (King 'Abaas Safawi) Shah e Welaayat is a Farsi name for Hazrat e Ali (RA) The Fourth Khalifa or the First Imam. Since the Safawids were fervent Shia's, this translation makes more sense. Note: This translation of this type of seal hereby nulifies any other translation of this seal عمل اسد الله 'amal e Assadullah. Work of Assadullah, meaning he was the sword smith who made it or the sword smith whose shop this might have come out of. The whole "ladder of Mohammad" does not make any sense since there is no such a thing as a "ladder of Mohammad" in the Islamic history, this is just some miss nomer. However ladder pattern or nardban (ladder in farsi) is an acceptable name for the ladder pattern. I;m busy with school and thus am not posting as often, please feel free to messege me in the future if any questions

13th February 2015, 11:29 PM	#3
explorer6970 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: S. Florida USA Posts: 3	Thanks to all who replied to this thread. Now I have to do some research on Asadollâh, and what the original hilt looked like. Evidently because these blades are high-quality they were re-purposed into new weapons.