Help with yatagans' inscriptions

Zifir · 4th January 2015, 11:00 PM

Hi,

Amel-i Abdi, Sahib Memiş Ağa / Work of Abdi, Owner Memiş Agha

TVV · 6th January 2015, 12:26 AM

Thank you very much Zifir, we are so lucky to have your help with these inscriptions. To the left of the maker's name, there is something that looks like a date, but I cannot make it out - does it make any sense to you? Reading the date may be important, because there was a Memis Agha who rose to prominence in the Trabzon and Surmene area in the end of the 18th century, early 19th century (when most of the yataghans with similar Foca silver hilts are usually dated based on similar examples).

Teodor

Zifir · 7th January 2015, 06:04 PM

Hi Teodor,
I could not see any date there. Are you by any chance referring to the letter "Y/İ" ى at the top of the maker's name? If so, that's just a stylistic writing of the name ABDİ with (Y/İ) at the top.

Best,

TVV · 7th January 2015, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

Hi Teodor,
I could not see any date there. Are you by any chance referring to the letter "Y/İ" ى at the top of the maker's name? If so, that's just a stylistic writing of the name ABDİ with (Y/İ) at the top.

Best,

Thank you Zifir, yes, this is exactly what I was confusing with a date. Still, Memish Agha is at least in my experience an uncommon name and there is a good chance that this yataghan may have indeed been made for Memish Agha from Rize, who appears to have led a small unsuccessful uprising around Trabzon in 1814-1817.

Regards,
Teodor

Sancar · 9th January 2015, 03:12 AM

Memiş is just a short form for Mehmet (kinda like Charles-Charlie or Francis-Frank) and it is quite common in rural Anatolia.

TVV · 9th January 2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sancar

Memiş is just a short form for Mehmet (kinda like Charles-Charlie or Francis-Frank) and it is quite common in rural Anatolia.

Thanks for the clarification,

Teodor

TVV · 3rd June 2015, 07:37 PM

This yataghan was donated to a history museum in Bulgaria. Since the blade has extensive inscriptions, I thought it would be a good idea to add it to this thread, and I have permission to do so.

Many thanks in advance to those, who can provide a translation,

Teodor

6th January 2015, 12:26 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Thank you very much Zifir, we are so lucky to have your help with these inscriptions. To the left of the maker's name, there is something that looks like a date, but I cannot make it out - does it make any sense to you? Reading the date may be important, because there was a Memis Agha who rose to prominence in the Trabzon and Surmene area in the end of the 18th century, early 19th century (when most of the yataghans with similar Foca silver hilts are usually dated based on similar examples). Teodor Last edited by TVV; 6th January 2015 at 12:46 AM.

3rd June 2015, 07:37 PM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	This yataghan was donated to a history museum in Bulgaria. Since the blade has extensive inscriptions, I thought it would be a good idea to add it to this thread, and I have permission to do so. Many thanks in advance to those, who can provide a translation, Teodor Attached Images

4th January 2015, 11:00 PM	#1
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, Amel-i Abdi, Sahib Memiş Ağa / Work of Abdi, Owner Memiş Agha

7th January 2015, 06:04 PM	#3
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi Teodor, I could not see any date there. Are you by any chance referring to the letter "Y/İ" ى at the top of the maker's name? If so, that's just a stylistic writing of the name ABDİ with (Y/İ) at the top. Best,

9th January 2015, 03:12 AM	#5
Sancar Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 79	Memiş is just a short form for Mehmet (kinda like Charles-Charlie or Francis-Frank) and it is quite common in rural Anatolia.