THE TWO HANDED SWORD THAT KILLED THE EARL OF HUNTLY, 28 OCT 1562

cornelistromp · 9th December 2014, 09:36 PM

though there is very little scottish reference material, I came before having studied the parchment off at around 1550-1560 and Scottish. (it was offered as 18thC)
The round pommel and parallel oversized spiral bound grip characterize scottish two handers, see for example an almost simlar spirally grip of a two-hander in the castlemuseum of Edenburgh and the pommel and grip of the very famous 16th century hilted sword, hilt also reshaped in in the 19thC, which is (probably incorrectly?) attributed to William Wallace.
The parry rods with their characteristic finals have style similarities with a sword recently auctioned at Thomas del mar 3/12 lot 179; a two-hand sword possibly for the field german or swiss , circa 1550-60.
the last picture; 1520 Henry VIII’s tonlet armour is English, the elegant two handed sword with the round pommel and diamond shaped blade probably also.

@Fernando, of course I still have the sword

best,
Jasper

fernando · 10th December 2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

... @Fernando, of course I still have the sword

My misunderstanding; so good for you

cornelistromp · 10th December 2014, 09:26 PM

in

ESSAYS CHIEFLY ON SCOTTISH ANTIQUITIES BY THE LATE JOHN STUART ESQUIRE OF INCHBRECK
PROFESSOR OF GREEK IN THE MARISCHAL COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY OF
ABERDEEN WITH A BRIEF SKETCH OF THE AUTHORS LIFE.

the sword under discussion is remarkably mentioned;

He also took an active part in the subsequent battle of Corrichie on the Hill of Fare about sixteen miles westward from Aberdeen on the 28th October 1562 where he fought on the side of Queen Mary then in Aberdeen and her natural brother the well known Regent Murray against the Earl of Huntly and his followers and is said also to have distinguished himself on that occasion by having killed with his two handed sword, still preserved in the family, the noble chief of the opposite party

this is absolutely amazing that the two hand sword is mentioned and in the first half of the 19th century still in possession of the family Stuart of Inchbreck.

For the complete article see the ebook;

http://books.google.nl/books?id=Of0H...page&q&f=false

best
jasper

Cerjak · 11th December 2014, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

in

ESSAYS CHIEFLY ON SCOTTISH ANTIQUITIES BY THE LATE JOHN STUART ESQUIRE OF INCHBRECK
PROFESSOR OF GREEK IN THE MARISCHAL COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY OF
ABERDEEN WITH A BRIEF SKETCH OF THE AUTHORS LIFE.

the sword under discussion is remarkably mentioned;

He also took an active part in the subsequent battle of Corrichie on the Hill of Fare about sixteen miles westward from Aberdeen on the 28th October 1562 where he fought on the side of Queen Mary then in Aberdeen and her natural brother the well known Regent Murray against the Earl of Huntly and his followers and is said also to have distinguished himself on that occasion by having killed with his two handed sword, still preserved in the family, the noble chief of the opposite party

this is absolutely amazing that the two hand sword is mentioned and in the first half of the 19th century still in possession of the family Stuart of Inchbreck.

For the complete article see the ebook;

http://books.google.nl/books?id=Of0H...page&q&f=false

best
jasper

Jasper
It is Christmas before Christmas.
You are a lucky guy , you have been able to make this sword tell you his history ,It is a dream to have this opportunity because most of the swords we could find have lost their history so it is not a sword you have today but much more a piece of history and with your research you have made the link with literature ,genealogy and your sword.
Yes your sword have a spirit and you are the man who can communicate with her !
Congratulation for those very efficient work..
Best

Jean-Luc

fernando · 11th December 2014, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Jasper
It is Christmas before Christmas.
You are a lucky guy , you have been able to make this sword tell you his history ,It is a dream to have this opportunity because most of the swords we could find have lost their history so it is not a sword you have today but much more a piece of history and with your research you have made the link with literature ,genealogy and your sword.
Yes your sword have a spirit and you are the man who can communicate with her !
Congratulation for those very efficient work..
Best

Jean-Luc

Amen

cornelistromp · 13th December 2014, 02:24 PM

Scottish 2handed sword, probably 17th or 18thC, all-over length 52.75 inch
pictures © Harvey Whiters.
the grip ring and pommel are intergrated into a pommel with neck.

Shakethetrees · 13th December 2014, 06:24 PM

Congratulations, Jasper!

There is nothing like the thrill of locating old, of-the-period documentation!

I was researching an old flintlock and discovered some almost two hundred year old newspaper accounts mentioning the very gun that I own. They were located by a totally random search on a different search engine than google. I did this on a whim one night, and, I would bet that you could almost hear my whoops of joy in Holland!

Another time I found a book printed in 1697 that was a biography of a father and son who were both of renown in their native country. As it turns out I own some papers that are the actual proclamations granting knighthoods and titles to these men. When thumbing through the book carefully one night, I came across a page listing the very honors I have in my possession! What a thrill!

Again, congrats! This will be one that makes a lot of the thankless and unproductive slogging through cyberspace, chasing pay dirt (but getting what is usually found on the ground of a barnyard!) worthwhile.

9th December 2014, 09:36 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	though there is very little scottish reference material, I came before having studied the parchment off at around 1550-1560 and Scottish. (it was offered as 18thC) The round pommel and parallel oversized spiral bound grip characterize scottish two handers, see for example an almost simlar spirally grip of a two-hander in the castlemuseum of Edenburgh and the pommel and grip of the very famous 16th century hilted sword, hilt also reshaped in in the 19thC, which is (probably incorrectly?) attributed to William Wallace. The parry rods with their characteristic finals have style similarities with a sword recently auctioned at Thomas del mar 3/12 lot 179; a two-hand sword possibly for the field german or swiss , circa 1550-60. the last picture; 1520 Henry VIII’s tonlet armour is English, the elegant two handed sword with the round pommel and diamond shaped blade probably also. @Fernando, of course I still have the sword best, Jasper Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 10th December 2014 at 08:29 AM.

10th December 2014, 09:26 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	extraordinary discovery in ESSAYS CHIEFLY ON SCOTTISH ANTIQUITIES BY THE LATE JOHN STUART ESQUIRE OF INCHBRECK PROFESSOR OF GREEK IN THE MARISCHAL COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY OF ABERDEEN WITH A BRIEF SKETCH OF THE AUTHORS LIFE. the sword under discussion is remarkably mentioned; He also took an active part in the subsequent battle of Corrichie on the Hill of Fare about sixteen miles westward from Aberdeen on the 28th October 1562 where he fought on the side of Queen Mary then in Aberdeen and her natural brother the well known Regent Murray against the Earl of Huntly and his followers and is said also to have distinguished himself on that occasion by having killed with his two handed sword, still preserved in the family, the noble chief of the opposite party this is absolutely amazing that the two hand sword is mentioned and in the first half of the 19th century still in possession of the family Stuart of Inchbreck. For the complete article see the ebook; http://books.google.nl/books?id=Of0H...page&q&f=false best jasper Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 10th December 2014 at 09:39 PM.

13th December 2014, 02:24 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Scottish 2handed sword, probably 17th or 18thC, all-over length 52.75 inch pictures © Harvey Whiters. the grip ring and pommel are intergrated into a pommel with neck. Attached Images

13th December 2014, 06:24 PM	#7
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	Congratulations, Jasper! There is nothing like the thrill of locating old, of-the-period documentation! I was researching an old flintlock and discovered some almost two hundred year old newspaper accounts mentioning the very gun that I own. They were located by a totally random search on a different search engine than google. I did this on a whim one night, and, I would bet that you could almost hear my whoops of joy in Holland! Another time I found a book printed in 1697 that was a biography of a father and son who were both of renown in their native country. As it turns out I own some papers that are the actual proclamations granting knighthoods and titles to these men. When thumbing through the book carefully one night, I came across a page listing the very honors I have in my possession! What a thrill! Again, congrats! This will be one that makes a lot of the thankless and unproductive slogging through cyberspace, chasing pay dirt (but getting what is usually found on the ground of a barnyard!) worthwhile.