indonesian blades ? Exact Origin ?

Rick · 8th December 2014, 02:56 PM

The handle on the second example looks very much like the ferrule from a spear .

francantolin · 8th December 2014, 05:37 PM

Thank you all for comments , informations and internet links !!

I live in Switzerland so unfortunately really difficult to meet ...

As I can see in internet , the first one is called a lading terus ,

For the second, do you think the scabbard is okay with this blade or better if I look for any other more ''original'' ?!

Thank you
Best regards

Frankie

Henk · 14th December 2014, 10:59 AM

Don't change anything on these tombaks. Very nice find. Congrats!!

francantolin · 14th December 2014, 08:50 PM

Thank's a lot !!

A. G. Maisey · 14th December 2014, 11:05 PM

Regarding applicable names.

"Lading terus" is a Malay term, it is not a term that is used in Jawa.

Both these tombak would be called a tombak in Jawa.

If a completely new set of dress had been made they would probably be called a "tombak, stel golok" , at least in Solo that would be the case, and probably in the rest of Central Jawa too.

But the base, operative word would be tombak, this is because the blade of the tombak is the tombak, in the same way that the blade of the keris is the keris. It does not change its name simply because it changes its dress, if it is necessary, the dress is described separately.

From memory I think it was Gardner who gave us "lading terus"; in Malay as spoken on the Peninsula this term may make sense, but in Javanese & Indonesian it is nonsense.

One of the problems with the way in which the keris and the tombak are seen in the societies which have taken these items of cultural heritage from their place of origin is that the mental attitude towards them is somewhat different.

Frankly, neither of the sets of dress on these two tombak look to be indigenous to my eye. It is entirely possible that this dress may have been made in S.E.Asia, but I would guess, more likely by a dealer or collector in that area, than by the people who regard these things as cultural heritage.

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 911	Thank you all for comments , informations and internet links !! I live in Switzerland so unfortunately really difficult to meet ... As I can see in internet , the first one is called a lading terus , For the second, do you think the scabbard is okay with this blade or better if I look for any other more ''original'' ?! Thank you Best regards Frankie Attached Images

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	The handle on the second example looks very much like the ferrule from a spear .

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Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Don't change anything on these tombaks. Very nice find. Congrats!!

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 911	Thank's a lot !!

14th December 2014, 11:05 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Regarding applicable names. "Lading terus" is a Malay term, it is not a term that is used in Jawa. Both these tombak would be called a tombak in Jawa. If a completely new set of dress had been made they would probably be called a "tombak, stel golok" , at least in Solo that would be the case, and probably in the rest of Central Jawa too. But the base, operative word would be tombak, this is because the blade of the tombak is the tombak, in the same way that the blade of the keris is the keris. It does not change its name simply because it changes its dress, if it is necessary, the dress is described separately. From memory I think it was Gardner who gave us "lading terus"; in Malay as spoken on the Peninsula this term may make sense, but in Javanese & Indonesian it is nonsense. One of the problems with the way in which the keris and the tombak are seen in the societies which have taken these items of cultural heritage from their place of origin is that the mental attitude towards them is somewhat different. Frankly, neither of the sets of dress on these two tombak look to be indigenous to my eye. It is entirely possible that this dress may have been made in S.E.Asia, but I would guess, more likely by a dealer or collector in that area, than by the people who regard these things as cultural heritage.