THE TWO HANDED KATZBALGER

[Roland_M]

[QUOTE=cornelistromp]
"Hi Roland, your statement about the katzbalger is somewhere between very amusing and total nonsense. "
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Thank you for your warm words. But before you offend people, you should spend more time for studying.
The Katzbalger is always a short sword, whether you believe it or not.

It is not necessary to answer my comment, it was the last one in this unfriendly forum.

[fernando]

Hi Roland,

Perhaps the tone of Cornelistromp's reply was too vivid. Surely he got a bit touched by your statement, considering his knowledge of this type of swords, being himself also a collector and reportedly documented in the subject.
However given that you felt offended with it, he has always the opportunity to repair his approach.
On the other hand, considering that such reaction was originated by your firm contradiction to the contents of his thread, you might have as well come around and expand the evidence of your categorical observations, as it seems you are also solid within the area.
That this forum is unfriendly because of this ephemeral episode, is surely a subjective remark; it definitely lacks the basis to become objective.
Obviously you are left free to choose your options; no one wishes you being here against your desire.

fernando

[cornelistromp]

[QUOTE=Roland_M]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

"Hi Roland, your statement about the katzbalger is somewhere between very amusing and total nonsense. "
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Thank you for your warm words. But before you offend people, you should spend more time for studying.
The Katzbalger is always a short sword, whether you believe it or not.

It is not necessary to answer my comment, it was the last one in this unfriendly forum.

Roland,
sorry for my sharp text, it was not my intention to offend you, it is nothing personal.
However if you claim something like you did, it is appropriate that you come with support for this, otherwise it remains an unsubstantiated one-liner without further meaning.

This can be an article from the Arms-Armour literature or measurements taken in museums and private collections etc.
And I'm also curious how you come to information like this, personal judgment ? Internet ? by hearsay?

please do not worry about my study of different swords, I'm on schedule.

best,
Jasper

[cornelistromp]

back to business

[cornelistromp]

the sword of St Paul in a painting by Pier Francesco Sacchi 1520.
National gallery in London No 1523
it's a two-hand sword with side-rings mounted at the center.
the side-rings are in the form of a Katzbalger 8 shaped guard and are not closed.

closed ring guards you do not you see before 1515 at sword hilts, my theory is that those closed side-ring guards are originally developed from the Katzbalger hilts.

The sword of St Paul's beautiful example of a transitional type.
Also there were around 1520 parry hooks and a Velvet grip clothing with decoration.

best,
jasper