Unknown staff come club

Tim Simmons · 20th October 2014, 04:48 PM

Could be one of those Indian holy man weapons. Looks a nice old piece. I would think it is from Indian subcontinent, but I would not rule out Africa? I do not think to is from further east?

RSWORD · 21st October 2014, 11:19 AM

Thanks for the feedback Tim. My initial thought was India as well but in my discussion with Runjeet he ruled out India. He based that on the cross section. In his experience Indian clubs typically have a round cross section. Not to say there couldn't be a one of example. I agree we can't rule out Africa but it is unlike anything I have seen from that region as well. Does anyone have a copy of Draeger's fighting arts? Could this be Indonesian/Malaysian?

Runjeet Singh · 21st October 2014, 02:07 PM

Hi Rsword.

Permission to back peddle?! It's just that your pics make me see it in a different light, particularly picture 4. The image looks like it could be the shaft of a Persian tabar, or Bikanner all steel Indian mace! (The Muslim Knight - Furisyya collection) has a small group of these in the book.

I don't recall seeing a wooden haft shaped like this before, but I have seen iron 'faceted' like this.

It may be South Indian, one of the Dravidian tribes, and taken influence from the South Indian Sangs and other pole-arms that have the bulbous 'hand separators'. See pics of a 17thC South Indian Sang. Yours has the Bulbous globes, with a caved ring each side, this is exactly what we see on many South Indian pole-arms.

Regards
Runjeet

estcrh · 26th October 2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Akaalarms

Hi Rsword.

Permission to back peddle?! It's just that your pics make me see it in a different light, particularly picture 4. The image looks like it could be the shaft of a Persian tabar, or Bikanner all steel Indian mace!
Runjeet

I also see this as possibly a shaft for an axe or another type of weapon.

Royston · 26th October 2014, 08:29 PM

It's probably too long, but some Kudi's have carved hilts and brass studs.

Roy

RSWORD · 28th October 2014, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Royston

It's probably too long, but some Kudi's have carved hilts and brass studs.

Roy

Good point and I wish there was more material on staff weapons of Asia to help us in our identification.

21st October 2014, 02:07 PM	#3
Runjeet Singh Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warwickshire, England Posts: 150	Hi Rsword. Permission to back peddle?! It's just that your pics make me see it in a different light, particularly picture 4. The image looks like it could be the shaft of a Persian tabar, or Bikanner all steel Indian mace! (The Muslim Knight - Furisyya collection) has a small group of these in the book. I don't recall seeing a wooden haft shaped like this before, but I have seen iron 'faceted' like this. It may be South Indian, one of the Dravidian tribes, and taken influence from the South Indian Sangs and other pole-arms that have the bulbous 'hand separators'. See pics of a 17thC South Indian Sang. Yours has the Bulbous globes, with a caved ring each side, this is exactly what we see on many South Indian pole-arms. Regards Runjeet Attached Images

20th October 2014, 04:48 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Could be one of those Indian holy man weapons. Looks a nice old piece. I would think it is from Indian subcontinent, but I would not rule out Africa? I do not think to is from further east?

21st October 2014, 11:19 AM	#2
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,086	Thanks for the feedback Tim. My initial thought was India as well but in my discussion with Runjeet he ruled out India. He based that on the cross section. In his experience Indian clubs typically have a round cross section. Not to say there couldn't be a one of example. I agree we can't rule out Africa but it is unlike anything I have seen from that region as well. Does anyone have a copy of Draeger's fighting arts? Could this be Indonesian/Malaysian?

26th October 2014, 08:29 PM	#5
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	It's probably too long, but some Kudi's have carved hilts and brass studs. Roy