Long Philippine Swords

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:40 PM

zel, your killin me.....
but on a factual note... he is correct.
if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo.
lolz..

Andrew · 2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM

In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

LabanTayo · 2nd December 2005, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

Amen brother,
You are 100% correct.

Robert · 2nd December 2005, 01:36 AM

Well seeing as this thread was started by me, I thought it was time for me to make a few comments.
To my own regret, I said "All comments are welcome" when I should have said all relevant comments.
To all the people that tried to help answer my question, you have my thanks.
To the people that turned this thread into a place to vent their frustration for not bidding high enough
on e-bay to win, all I have to say to you is why don't you go stand in front of a mirror an complain to the
person who is actually the cause of your unhappiness. I bid what the sword was worth to me, not knowing
that it was inappropriate in your eyes to do so for in an open auction like e-bay. When the auction first starts if
I find an item that I am interested in, I put it on my watch list. Then I decide how much I want to bid on said
item. Then when the bidding is coming to a close and if the price on the item is not more than I decided
to bid for it, I place my bid. I've been going to auctions for years and never once has the winning bid been decided
by who bid first but only by who bid the highest. I thought e-bay was the same way, excuse me for having such
a silly idea as that. And as far as doing my own research, that is how I came to ask my question about the swords
to start with. So if anyone wants to hold back information and knowledge because they are having a problem dealing with the reality
of how an auction works, more power to you.
LabanTayo, you were out bid by another before I even bid.
MABAGANI, you didn't bid at all so I don't know what your problem is and if you had a problem with me, why did you e-mail me right after the auction was over to see if I would sell you the sword?
One more thing, I've never noticed that it bothered anyone here to out bid me on something that I was biding on. Again my thanks to the people who tried to help.

Robert

Andrew · 2nd December 2005, 01:56 AM

Gentlemen,

Let's please return to discussion of these swords.

Any further public discussion of the specific auction, will result in this thread being locked.

I am saddened. This site has historically been devoid of this type of quarrel. Let's not let something like an eBay auction spoil that.

LabanTayo · 2nd December 2005, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Gentlemen,

Let's please return to discussion of these swords.

Any further public discussion of the specific auction, will result in this thread being locked.

Andrew and the rest of the Moderators, I will respect your wishes.
Robert, good luck finding answers to your future questions. Bahala ka.

VANDOO · 2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM

FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT.
IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN.

NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE.
IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )

BSMStar · 2nd December 2005, 01:28 AM

As my children would say on any long journey..... are we there yet????

MABAGANI · 2nd December 2005, 05:28 AM

I was willing to pick it up from you if you didn't like it because my swordbrother lost it in an outbid, even though we thought it was overpriced, its not for me, I have an old one already. I like Moro sundang...
btw I did pass on a few things you bid on because I knew you were from the forum.
I aired my observation of current ebay trends and like I wrote I'd rather go back to dealers and pay top dollar for quality examples rather than take a chance on auction photos.

zelbone · 2nd December 2005, 05:32 AM

...it's a bolo

!

MABAGANI · 2nd December 2005, 05:36 AM

i heard, i have that bolo already.lolz

Federico · 2nd December 2005, 07:42 AM

I vote that we as Filipinos,......form a union and declare that from now on, ......all weapons from the Sandata, .....shall for here forth be ever know as, .................."pig-stickers"

Just think about it, no more lost nights and money doing research, or reduced health from breathing in the dust from 100 year old books. We will then all know that there is just one simple answer to all our questions.

Thus the allure of the Sandata will fade for non-Filipinos, and we can go on to horde them all to ourselves

Oh wait did I say the quiet part out loud again.

2nd December 2005, 05:28 AM	#9
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	I was willing to pick it up from you if you didn't like it because my swordbrother lost it in an outbid, even though we thought it was overpriced, its not for me, I have an old one already. I like Moro sundang... btw I did pass on a few things you bid on because I knew you were from the forum. I aired my observation of current ebay trends and like I wrote I'd rather go back to dealers and pay top dollar for quality examples rather than take a chance on auction photos. Last edited by MABAGANI; 2nd December 2005 at 06:22 AM.

1st December 2005, 11:40 PM	#1
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	zel, your killin me..... but on a factual note... he is correct. if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo. lolz..

2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

2nd December 2005, 01:36 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Well seeing as this thread was started by me, I thought it was time for me to make a few comments. To my own regret, I said "All comments are welcome" when I should have said all relevant comments. To all the people that tried to help answer my question, you have my thanks. To the people that turned this thread into a place to vent their frustration for not bidding high enough on e-bay to win, all I have to say to you is why don't you go stand in front of a mirror an complain to the person who is actually the cause of your unhappiness. I bid what the sword was worth to me, not knowing that it was inappropriate in your eyes to do so for in an open auction like e-bay. When the auction first starts if I find an item that I am interested in, I put it on my watch list. Then I decide how much I want to bid on said item. Then when the bidding is coming to a close and if the price on the item is not more than I decided to bid for it, I place my bid. I've been going to auctions for years and never once has the winning bid been decided by who bid first but only by who bid the highest. I thought e-bay was the same way, excuse me for having such a silly idea as that. And as far as doing my own research, that is how I came to ask my question about the swords to start with. So if anyone wants to hold back information and knowledge because they are having a problem dealing with the reality of how an auction works, more power to you. LabanTayo, you were out bid by another before I even bid. MABAGANI, you didn't bid at all so I don't know what your problem is and if you had a problem with me, why did you e-mail me right after the auction was over to see if I would sell you the sword? One more thing, I've never noticed that it bothered anyone here to out bid me on something that I was biding on. Again my thanks to the people who tried to help. Robert

2nd December 2005, 01:56 AM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Gentlemen, Let's please return to discussion of these swords. Any further public discussion of the specific auction, will result in this thread being locked. I am saddened. This site has historically been devoid of this type of quarrel. Let's not let something like an eBay auction spoil that.

2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT. IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN. NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE. IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )

2nd December 2005, 01:28 AM	#8
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	As my children would say on any long journey..... are we there yet????

2nd December 2005, 05:32 AM	#10
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	...it's a bolo !

2nd December 2005, 05:36 AM	#11
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	i heard, i have that bolo already.lolz

2nd December 2005, 07:42 AM	#12
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	I vote that we as Filipinos,......form a union and declare that from now on, ......all weapons from the Sandata, .....shall for here forth be ever know as, .................."pig-stickers" Just think about it, no more lost nights and money doing research, or reduced health from breathing in the dust from 100 year old books. We will then all know that there is just one simple answer to all our questions. Thus the allure of the Sandata will fade for non-Filipinos, and we can go on to horde them all to ourselves Oh wait did I say the quiet part out loud again.