S.E. Asian spear

Sajen · 19th September 2014, 04:47 PM

This spear is a riddle for me. Don't think that it is Moro and don't have seen something similar from Indonesia. I would lean towards somewhere from the Philippines.

I think the brass ferrule is original to the spear.
Very interesting spear, good catch!

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 19th September 2014, 10:56 PM

It could be an Achenese lance.
Is the octagonal shaft round at the upper side near the blade and octagonal near the butt?
Or is it all octagonal from end to tip?

Maurice

LJ · 20th September 2014, 06:02 PM

Many thanks for the suggestion.

The shaft is octagonal at least as far as the ferrule (but, of course, I can't say whether it continues to be octagonal under the ferrule without taking the spear apart). The cylindrical ferrule on this spear contrasts with the octagonal ferrule on the spear posted by CharlesS.

The octagonal section continues to the butt. However, if we assume that the thin copper wrapping on the butt is a later repair, then it is also possible that the shaft might have had its original end cut off.

I don't know if this is important, but it did strike that (compared with the FEW other S.E. Asia spears I've seen) that the head seems to have an unusually long shaft.

Rich · 20th September 2014, 07:15 PM

While I don't think it is Japanese, I don't think it is a spear (i.e., not for throwing); more likely a pike or lance (yari in Japanese).
Rich S

KuKulzA28 · 20th September 2014, 08:30 PM

Just want to ask, for semantic sake
In english
Spears are long pointed sticks for fighting, primary goal is the pierce... but there's many kinds

I thought the ones for throwing are called javelins, usually tapered so the weight is at the head
The ones for cavalry charges are lances
the really long ones for open battle are pikes (10-20' long)... these are used by infantry, almost always in dense formation and always tapered for practicality
and well, the ones good for individual combat, single or two-handed, are just.. spears. Usually 5-8' long. These are usually but not always tapered so the butt end has more wood

I thought Yari was just a Japanese word for any spear
same with Qiang in Mandarin...

Rich · 20th September 2014, 09:39 PM

Yari are sometimes called spears, but are not generally made to be
thrown.

http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/polearms.htm

Rich S

19th September 2014, 04:47 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	This spear is a riddle for me. Don't think that it is Moro and don't have seen something similar from Indonesia. I would lean towards somewhere from the Philippines. I think the brass ferrule is original to the spear. Very interesting spear, good catch! Regards, Detlef

19th September 2014, 10:56 PM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	It could be an Achenese lance. Is the octagonal shaft round at the upper side near the blade and octagonal near the butt? Or is it all octagonal from end to tip? Maurice

20th September 2014, 06:02 PM	#3
LJ Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 93	Many thanks for the suggestion. The shaft is octagonal at least as far as the ferrule (but, of course, I can't say whether it continues to be octagonal under the ferrule without taking the spear apart). The cylindrical ferrule on this spear contrasts with the octagonal ferrule on the spear posted by CharlesS. The octagonal section continues to the butt. However, if we assume that the thin copper wrapping on the butt is a later repair, then it is also possible that the shaft might have had its original end cut off. I don't know if this is important, but it did strike that (compared with the FEW other S.E. Asia spears I've seen) that the head seems to have an unusually long shaft.

20th September 2014, 07:15 PM	#4
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	While I don't think it is Japanese, I don't think it is a spear (i.e., not for throwing); more likely a pike or lance (yari in Japanese). Rich S

20th September 2014, 08:30 PM	#5
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Just want to ask, for semantic sake In english Spears are long pointed sticks for fighting, primary goal is the pierce... but there's many kinds I thought the ones for throwing are called javelins, usually tapered so the weight is at the head The ones for cavalry charges are lances the really long ones for open battle are pikes (10-20' long)... these are used by infantry, almost always in dense formation and always tapered for practicality and well, the ones good for individual combat, single or two-handed, are just.. spears. Usually 5-8' long. These are usually but not always tapered so the butt end has more wood I thought Yari was just a Japanese word for any spear same with Qiang in Mandarin...

20th September 2014, 09:39 PM	#6
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Yari are sometimes called spears, but are not generally made to be thrown. http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/polearms.htm Rich S