Pamor Blade of a Pedang Lurus

Sajen · 14th September 2014, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I would like to learn more about the blade of this pedang lurus. I have no idea of the age. It looks old to me, but some of the blade makers in Indonesia today are doing some very good work.

The dress is silver alloy, not particularly of good quality and doesn't show much age.

BUT!...it is the BLADE I am interested in. Whether old or more recent, I am fascinated by the construction of this blade and have seen nothing like it before.

I hope I can learn more about the pamor and its purpose here. Perhaps I can also get some clue about the age of the blade. It may very well be that it was not "born with" the rest.

Thanks for any input.

Hi Charles,

don't worry, I am sure others will jump in!

Personally I like the dress, maybe not the finest work but already better quality. Would like to see close ups from the scabbard and hilt.
Very nice pamor but unfortunately I can't name it, maybe Alan will be able. I am sure that the blade is old and not a recent work from Madura and agree with you that the dress seems younger.
Very nice pedang lurus.

Regards,
Detlef

Henk · 14th September 2014, 02:07 PM

Don't worry Charles, keris lovers will also look on this forum. As Detlef said, maybe Alan can tell more about the blade. As far as i can see from the pictures a very fine pedang and better quality than you mostly see. In my opinion an awsome piece.

Emanuel · 14th September 2014, 02:41 PM

Very interesting blade Charles,

It looks almost repulsive in its organic appearances, sort of like snake skin. The oval depressions along the edge look very deep. Is the blade heavily etched? I wonder what the effect would have been like with a smooth surface.

Emanuel

A. G. Maisey · 14th September 2014, 11:04 PM

Sorry people.

Alan cannot add much to this discussion.

I looked at the thread last night, but I do not know what I'm looking at. I've never seen a blade of this shape in mounts like this, the hilt appears not to have been made for the blade:- note the visible amount of jabung around the blade base, usually the hole in the hilt is kept as close as possible to the blade base.

I have never seen pamor like like this, I do not know how those scallops along the edge were done.

The dress doesn't look all that old, I'd guess second half 20th century. This sort of dress was popular from the 19th century through to at least WWII and it almost always has quite a few dings along the edges and at the scabbard tip, sometimes there are dings on the guard or other parts of the hilt. The hilt and scabbard on this pedang look almost pristine.

Charles has said "silver alloy" nearly everybody calls mamas silver alloy, or native silver, or low content silver or similar. With all the silver test fluids I have used, silver tests red. If it tests other than red its not silver of any type.

No, I do not know what I'm looking at:-

old, recent, new? don't know

silver or mamas? don't know --- but if it is mamas it will be older, pre-WWII.

blade made as is, or recycled? don't know

quality work or market quality work? don't know

pamor work is certainly unusual, but is this a quality blade or just a show piece? don't know

Too many questions attached to this piece to give any opinion at all.

Question:- how long is it? blade length, overall length?

Sajen · 15th September 2014, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Sorry people.

Alan cannot add much to this discussion.

I looked at the thread last night, but I do not know what I'm looking at. I've never seen a blade of this shape in mounts like this, the hilt appears not to have been made for the blade:- note the visible amount of jabung around the blade base, usually the hole in the hilt is kept as close as possible to the blade base.

I have never seen pamor like like this, I do not know how those scallops along the edge were done.

The dress doesn't look all that old, I'd guess second half 20th century. This sort of dress was popular from the 19th century through to at least WWII and it almost always has quite a few dings along the edges and at the scabbard tip, sometimes there are dings on the guard or other parts of the hilt. The hilt and scabbard on this pedang look almost pristine.

Charles has said "silver alloy" nearly everybody calls mamas silver alloy, or native silver, or low content silver or similar. With all the silver test fluids I have used, silver tests red. If it tests other than red its not silver of any type.

No, I do not know what I'm looking at:-

old, recent, new? don't know

silver or mamas? don't know --- but if it is mamas it will be older, pre-WWII.

blade made as is, or recycled? don't know

quality work or market quality work? don't know

pamor work is certainly unusual, but is this a quality blade or just a show piece? don't know

Too many questions attached to this piece to give any opinion at all.

Question:- how long is it? blade length, overall length?

Very interesting observations Alan! I have noticed the unusual blade shape for a pedang lurus of this type. It could be that an old cut down blade (keris or pedang) was used due the unusual pamor for this pedang. But just a guess. This would explain some of your observations.

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 15th September 2014, 06:30 PM

Dimensions of the piece:

Overall: 21.5in.

Blade: 15.5in.

Blade width at the forte: 1.25in.

The blade does seem unusual for such a sword in the way that it fits into the hilt. I would expect it to be wider at the forte, as so many are.

Rick · 15th September 2014, 07:05 PM

Do you have any information on the piece from the Seller, Charles ?
I think you've got something unique there to say the least .

How would one go about constructing a blade like that ?
Is the true color of the metal as shown in the pictures ?

15th September 2014, 07:05 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Do you have any information on the piece from the Seller, Charles ? I think you've got something unique there to say the least . How would one go about constructing a blade like that ? Is the true color of the metal as shown in the pictures ? Last edited by Rick; 15th September 2014 at 07:22 PM.

14th September 2014, 02:07 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Don't worry Charles, keris lovers will also look on this forum. As Detlef said, maybe Alan can tell more about the blade. As far as i can see from the pictures a very fine pedang and better quality than you mostly see. In my opinion an awsome piece.

14th September 2014, 02:41 PM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Very interesting blade Charles, It looks almost repulsive in its organic appearances, sort of like snake skin. The oval depressions along the edge look very deep. Is the blade heavily etched? I wonder what the effect would have been like with a smooth surface. Emanuel

14th September 2014, 11:04 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Sorry people. Alan cannot add much to this discussion. I looked at the thread last night, but I do not know what I'm looking at. I've never seen a blade of this shape in mounts like this, the hilt appears not to have been made for the blade:- note the visible amount of jabung around the blade base, usually the hole in the hilt is kept as close as possible to the blade base. I have never seen pamor like like this, I do not know how those scallops along the edge were done. The dress doesn't look all that old, I'd guess second half 20th century. This sort of dress was popular from the 19th century through to at least WWII and it almost always has quite a few dings along the edges and at the scabbard tip, sometimes there are dings on the guard or other parts of the hilt. The hilt and scabbard on this pedang look almost pristine. Charles has said "silver alloy" nearly everybody calls mamas silver alloy, or native silver, or low content silver or similar. With all the silver test fluids I have used, silver tests red. If it tests other than red its not silver of any type. No, I do not know what I'm looking at:- old, recent, new? don't know silver or mamas? don't know --- but if it is mamas it will be older, pre-WWII. blade made as is, or recycled? don't know quality work or market quality work? don't know pamor work is certainly unusual, but is this a quality blade or just a show piece? don't know Too many questions attached to this piece to give any opinion at all. Question:- how long is it? blade length, overall length?

15th September 2014, 06:30 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Dimensions of the piece: Overall: 21.5in. Blade: 15.5in. Blade width at the forte: 1.25in. The blade does seem unusual for such a sword in the way that it fits into the hilt. I would expect it to be wider at the forte, as so many are.