Bayonet marked with Spital

M ELEY · 3rd September 2014, 10:01 AM

Not my area of expertise, but a few words. Yataghan style bayonets were French from the 1870's and would have the tracing of 'Klingenthal' (the arsenal where they were produced) on the flat of the blade if this is a cut-down. The reference to yataghans comes from the Turkish and Persian swords of the same name which had curving blades with a T-backed bolster. If you look directly down the blade, do you see a 'T'? If so, Fernando K might be right. I'm unfamiliar with the Austrian model mentioned, but it makes sense as far as the time period.

Kmaddock · 4th September 2014, 11:33 AM

Hi
Yataghan style bayonets were across the nations

Britain had them on the Snider and enfield rifles
Austria had them on the Werndl rifle
the most common is indeed the French Chespot model 1866 bolt-action
very very comon with the brass handle
and of the top of my ghead the Turks had them

The unshortened Werndl's are a lot rarer but do exist

Hope this adds more flesh to the story
regards
Ken

fernando · 4th September 2014, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kmaddock

...Yataghan style bayonets were across the nations ...
Britain had them on the Snider and enfield rifles ...

... As also in the Westley Richards ... at least in the versions exported to Portugal.

Kmaddock · 4th September 2014, 01:39 PM

Hi Fernando
a bit out side my comfort zone, but
I think Westley Richards were just contracted to Enfield to make the pattern 1853 Musket
commonly known as
Enfield pattern 1853, 3 Band rifle

Westley Richards were (and still are gunmakers) but I am unaware if they make an actual model rifle that was adopted by armies.
I am happy to be correct on this,
i would be interested to know if the bayonet was the same though as i am on the lookout for a Snider conversion rifle bayonet to match my Snider and a portugese version would be acceptable
regards
Ken

fernando · 4th September 2014, 03:27 PM

Hi Ken,
Westley Richards also had military comitments.
They even tried to introduce their pistol in the British Army, without success.
Their 'monkey tail' system became famous; following a couple flirts with the Portuguese Arsenal, patent allowance and all that, ended up with a contract of 1000 pistols to Portuguese Cavalry (the only existing quantity of the kind), besides a few thousand rifles and carbines.
Not so easy finding the correspondent (sword) bayonets.

.

Kmaddock · 4th September 2014, 04:49 PM

Hi Fernando
Thanks for extra Information
Ken

spiral · 4th September 2014, 09:17 PM

If only it said spiral! Id have to find one!

Interesting piece!

Spiral

3rd September 2014, 10:01 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Not my area of expertise, but a few words. Yataghan style bayonets were French from the 1870's and would have the tracing of 'Klingenthal' (the arsenal where they were produced) on the flat of the blade if this is a cut-down. The reference to yataghans comes from the Turkish and Persian swords of the same name which had curving blades with a T-backed bolster. If you look directly down the blade, do you see a 'T'? If so, Fernando K might be right. I'm unfamiliar with the Austrian model mentioned, but it makes sense as far as the time period.

4th September 2014, 11:33 AM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Yataghan style bayonets were across the nations Britain had them on the Snider and enfield rifles Austria had them on the Werndl rifle the most common is indeed the French Chespot model 1866 bolt-action very very comon with the brass handle and of the top of my ghead the Turks had them The unshortened Werndl's are a lot rarer but do exist Hope this adds more flesh to the story regards Ken

4th September 2014, 01:39 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Fernando a bit out side my comfort zone, but I think Westley Richards were just contracted to Enfield to make the pattern 1853 Musket commonly known as Enfield pattern 1853, 3 Band rifle Westley Richards were (and still are gunmakers) but I am unaware if they make an actual model rifle that was adopted by armies. I am happy to be correct on this, i would be interested to know if the bayonet was the same though as i am on the lookout for a Snider conversion rifle bayonet to match my Snider and a portugese version would be acceptable regards Ken

4th September 2014, 04:49 PM	#6
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Fernando Thanks for extra Information Ken

4th September 2014, 09:17 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	If only it said spiral! Id have to find one! Interesting piece! Spiral