THE OLDEST KNOWN YATAGHAN!!!! - Page 2

spiral · 28th July 2014, 10:28 PM

That's fascinating Emmanuel! Thank you!

Ill dig out some photos of some Nepali pieces that look very related in style.

Spiral

spiral · 29th July 2014, 06:04 PM

A couple from Kathmandu National museum.

This one is copyright JP originally marked not to be reused. In case it was used in his book.. From Victoria & Albert.London

While different there seems a certain echo amongst them?

spiral

Emanuel · 29th July 2014, 09:45 PM

Thanks Spiral!

The one with ivory handle on the right in the top picture has a very similar shape to the old yataghan. Any info on it?

Emanuel

spiral · 29th July 2014, 10:04 PM

Sure Emmanuel, they are described as the personal weapons of Tej Narasimha Malla The king of Patan {Part of Nepal.} who ruled from from 1765 to 1768.. until Prithvi Narayan Shah in his quest to unify the area under himself, by conquering Kingdom by Kingdom through the 500 or so feudal kingdoms that made up what is today Nepal.

Spiral

gp · 22nd May 2026, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rand

Hello Ariel,

Believe there are at least three more known early yataghans, one is now at the Metropoliten Museum of Art and from the same workshop, another is now at the exhibit in France was was made for Bayezid II (?), then is one more and the best of all of them with a one piece solid gold scabbard carved in three dimensions also made for Bayuzid II owned by the same collector.

These threee yataghans came from the same sale in LA about 28 years ago from the Mr Ingram collection. They were a gift from T E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) to his friend Mr Ingram (Hollywood director) before his death. They were sent to auction by Mrs Ingram after her husbands death, prior to that she was hoping to receive the sum of $10,000 for the entire collection.

Sultan Suleyman the Lawgivers yataghan is either at Topkapi or the Military Museum in Turkey.

rand

interesting thread with some nice pictures, hence I would like to add this link:

https://islamicart.museumwnf.org/dat...qt;Mus21;11;en

also a nice link on restoration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0AVIFv4lk

Oliver Pinchot · 17th July 2026, 01:13 AM

That is not a restoration by any stretch. Maybe a ruination.

TVV · 17th July 2026, 05:37 AM

The Georgian gentleman has the ability to do great cleaning and conservation. Unfortunately he insists on going further in the pursuit of a perfect, brand new look, and achieves it at all cost, discarding all kinds of original parts in the process. He also has very little idea as to how the historical weapons should look like. This is especially true for weapons that are not from the Caucasus. The good news is that from what I have seen, the weapons he takes on are usually too far gone, and not that rare, so that at least nothing valuable is destroyed in the process of creating YouTube content.

28th July 2014, 10:28 PM	#31
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	That's fascinating Emmanuel! Thank you! Ill dig out some photos of some Nepali pieces that look very related in style. Spiral

29th July 2014, 06:04 PM	#32
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	A couple from Kathmandu National museum. This one is copyright JP originally marked not to be reused. In case it was used in his book.. From Victoria & Albert.London While different there seems a certain echo amongst them? spiral

29th July 2014, 09:45 PM	#33
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Thanks Spiral! The one with ivory handle on the right in the top picture has a very similar shape to the old yataghan. Any info on it? Emanuel

29th July 2014, 10:04 PM	#34
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Sure Emmanuel, they are described as the personal weapons of Tej Narasimha Malla The king of Patan {Part of Nepal.} who ruled from from 1765 to 1768.. until Prithvi Narayan Shah in his quest to unify the area under himself, by conquering Kingdom by Kingdom through the 500 or so feudal kingdoms that made up what is today Nepal. Spiral

17th July 2026, 01:13 AM	#36
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 478	That is not a restoration by any stretch. Maybe a ruination.

17th July 2026, 05:37 AM	#37
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,770	The Georgian gentleman has the ability to do great cleaning and conservation. Unfortunately he insists on going further in the pursuit of a perfect, brand new look, and achieves it at all cost, discarding all kinds of original parts in the process. He also has very little idea as to how the historical weapons should look like. This is especially true for weapons that are not from the Caucasus. The good news is that from what I have seen, the weapons he takes on are usually too far gone, and not that rare, so that at least nothing valuable is destroyed in the process of creating YouTube content.