Mexican/Spanish colonial spear points

Lee · 27th July 2014, 02:53 PM

Actually, I like them just as well in being old handforged agricultural implements as if they were lances or spears intended for hominids rather than taurines. I find it fascinating that 'cowboys' in Spain, Portugal and southern France still carry lances with which to direct their herds.

Revelatory threads such as this make the costs and frustrations of operating the forums worthwhile and fulfilling. Thank you all!

More typical in iron, here is a modern cast brass version of the distinctive type even today still used in the Camargue in southern France.

fernando · 27th July 2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

... I find it fascinating that 'cowboys' in Spain, Portugal and southern France still carry lances with which to direct their herds. ...More typical in iron, here is a modern cast brass version of the distinctive type even today still used in the Camargue in southern France.

The Portuguese version (pampilho) has a more linear point. I find it difficult to get a close up of the device ... here visible in a very dinamic posture of a 'Campino' riding his horse as if chasing a taurine, in a beautiful photo taken by Maurício Abreu ©.

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fernando · 27th July 2014, 04:55 PM

This is still a misterious piece as, once posted in the forum, never reached a consensual opinion.
Assuming the visible distance between this thing and the example posted by machinist, i risk to say there is a slight resemblance

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... The large diffterce going for the blunt edges.
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Lee · 27th July 2014, 05:43 PM

Well, Fernando, I believe you have an answer. The nice pampilho carried in the photograph you posted probably is a more modern version and your example is older and more rustic.

I suppose this thread could get moved to miscellanea and then retitled "Cowman's Polearms from the Iberian Peninsula and Diaspora" and then neither of us could be accused of being off topic or thread hijackers.

fernando · 27th July 2014, 06:03 PM

Amen

Fernando K · 27th July 2014, 10:47 PM

Hello everyone:

Throughout South America, and especially in the pampas, where she grew up in the wild cattle, a kind of throws that ended in a sharp crescent, with which it was chasing cattle and he cut the tendon was used garron (hind leg), which was immobilized and I finished off with a knife.

Affectionately. Fernando (Sorry for the translator)

Fernando K · 27th July 2014, 10:58 PM

Dear Fernando:

A related issue that continues to interest me. Does the rider is mounted on a chair "to genet" left by the Arab domination in Spain, with short stirrups, and legs bent?

Affectionately. Fernando K

Sorry, translator)

27th July 2014, 02:53 PM	#1
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 933	Very nice Actually, I like them just as well in being old handforged agricultural implements as if they were lances or spears intended for hominids rather than taurines. I find it fascinating that 'cowboys' in Spain, Portugal and southern France still carry lances with which to direct their herds. Revelatory threads such as this make the costs and frustrations of operating the forums worthwhile and fulfilling. Thank you all! More typical in iron, here is a modern cast brass version of the distinctive type even today still used in the Camargue in southern France. Attached Images

27th July 2014, 04:55 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thread highjacking This is still a misterious piece as, once posted in the forum, never reached a consensual opinion. Assuming the visible distance between this thing and the example posted by machinist, i risk to say there is a slight resemblance . ... The large diffterce going for the blunt edges. . Attached Images

27th July 2014, 05:43 PM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 933	Well, Fernando, I believe you have an answer. The nice pampilho carried in the photograph you posted probably is a more modern version and your example is older and more rustic. I suppose this thread could get moved to miscellanea and then retitled "Cowman's Polearms from the Iberian Peninsula and Diaspora" and then neither of us could be accused of being off topic or thread hijackers.

27th July 2014, 06:03 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Amen

27th July 2014, 10:47 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello everyone: Throughout South America, and especially in the pampas, where she grew up in the wild cattle, a kind of throws that ended in a sharp crescent, with which it was chasing cattle and he cut the tendon was used garron (hind leg), which was immobilized and I finished off with a knife. Affectionately. Fernando (Sorry for the translator)

27th July 2014, 10:58 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Fernando: A related issue that continues to interest me. Does the rider is mounted on a chair "to genet" left by the Arab domination in Spain, with short stirrups, and legs bent? Affectionately. Fernando K Sorry, translator)