klewang golok ??????????????

semar · 19th July 2014, 03:19 PM

yes long time ago but i never found out the type and the orgin of this blad i look in the book from zonneveld but its not in there

regards semar

Sajen · 19th July 2014, 08:32 PM

Hello Semar,

I don't remember to have seen something similar. But I like it!

Regards,
Detlef

semar · 21st July 2014, 09:55 AM

thank you Detlef

Ian · 22nd July 2014, 08:58 PM

Hello Semar:

Thank you for posting this interesting and challenging example.

i have not seen one exactly similar to this, but it seems to be either Indonesian or perhaps from the Philippines.

The D-guard is reminiscent of the Malay parang nabur and of the southern Luzon minasbad, but is clearly different from those two in several respects--most notably the triangular, fan-shaped pommel.

In imagining the hilt without the D-guard it reminds me somewhat of the Timor hilts, types a and b, that appear in Albert van Zonneveld's book Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago (pp 137-138). In particular, the triangular pommel and an "eye" or "rosette" are present on your sword. The Timor hilts (as are those on the minasbad) are made from carabao horn, and yours appears to be made of horn also.

On none of the swords I have mentioned have I seen, either personally or in pictures, a fluted grip as shown on yours. Also, the blade type is inconsistent with a parang nabur although maybe a possibility for a minasbad, while Timor swords have a variety of blades, including parang, pedang, and klewang styles.

If pushed to make some estimation of where this is from, I would say it is either an adaptation of the hilt seen on Timor swords or an indigenous sword from the eastern part of the Indonesian archipelago, of a type not present in van Zonneveld's book.

Perhaps our Belgium-Dutch-German forumites have more information on this one.

Ian.

semar · 22nd July 2014, 10:43 PM

thank you Ian for your commend

regards semar

Ian · 22nd July 2014, 10:43 PM

Semar, could you post more detailed pictures of the hilt, especially where the knuckle bow meets the pommel. Look almost as though there is a discontinuity there.

Ian.

Robert · 22nd July 2014, 11:09 PM

Ian, I just happened to be looking at that area myself and modified a photo to get a better look. It looks as though the guard has broken loose from the pommel.

Best,
Robert

Ian · 22nd July 2014, 11:25 PM

Robert and Semar:

If you mentally ignore the knuckle bow and look at the pommel after rotating the hilt, I think I see a bird's head--with the eye, crest and beak--and a long neck.

Ian.

P.S. What do you guys make of the small amount of file work at forte? Looks a little like some of the minasbad swords we have seen here. Not really like the Borneo fancy work on parang.

22nd July 2014, 08:58 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Definitely a mystery Hello Semar: Thank you for posting this interesting and challenging example. i have not seen one exactly similar to this, but it seems to be either Indonesian or perhaps from the Philippines. The D-guard is reminiscent of the Malay parang nabur and of the southern Luzon minasbad, but is clearly different from those two in several respects--most notably the triangular, fan-shaped pommel. In imagining the hilt without the D-guard it reminds me somewhat of the Timor hilts, types a and b, that appear in Albert van Zonneveld's book Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago (pp 137-138). In particular, the triangular pommel and an "eye" or "rosette" are present on your sword. The Timor hilts (as are those on the minasbad) are made from carabao horn, and yours appears to be made of horn also. On none of the swords I have mentioned have I seen, either personally or in pictures, a fluted grip as shown on yours. Also, the blade type is inconsistent with a parang nabur although maybe a possibility for a minasbad, while Timor swords have a variety of blades, including parang, pedang, and klewang styles. If pushed to make some estimation of where this is from, I would say it is either an adaptation of the hilt seen on Timor swords or an indigenous sword from the eastern part of the Indonesian archipelago, of a type not present in van Zonneveld's book. Perhaps our Belgium-Dutch-German forumites have more information on this one. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 22nd July 2014 at 09:12 PM.

22nd July 2014, 10:43 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Semar, could you post more detailed pictures of the hilt, especially where the knuckle bow meets the pommel. Look almost as though there is a discontinuity there. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 22nd July 2014 at 11:14 PM.

22nd July 2014, 11:09 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Ian, I just happened to be looking at that area myself and modified a photo to get a better look. It looks as though the guard has broken loose from the pommel. Best, Robert Attached Images

22nd July 2014, 11:25 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Robert and Semar: If you mentally ignore the knuckle bow and look at the pommel after rotating the hilt, I think I see a bird's head--with the eye, crest and beak--and a long neck. Ian. P.S. What do you guys make of the small amount of file work at forte? Looks a little like some of the minasbad swords we have seen here. Not really like the Borneo fancy work on parang. Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 23rd July 2014 at 02:51 AM.

19th July 2014, 03:19 PM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	yes long time ago but i never found out the type and the orgin of this blad i look in the book from zonneveld but its not in there regards semar

19th July 2014, 08:32 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Semar, I don't remember to have seen something similar. But I like it! Regards, Detlef

21st July 2014, 09:55 AM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you Detlef