Bicol sword for comment

Sajen · 13th July 2014, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Yes I would say the second one is Bicolano as far as I understand.

Thank you Jose! And what you think is the first sword from?

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 14th July 2014, 01:07 AM

For now I'd say the first sword is Visayan.....

Sajen · 14th July 2014, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

For now I'd say the first sword is Visayan.....

Hello Jose,

have a look to post #16 in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

The shown sword has a very similar blade shape and the tang isn't peened through the hilt. And look also to the scabbard. When the first sword would orginate from the Visayas wouldn't be the blade chiseled at the edge?

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 16th July 2014, 08:05 PM

Today I received a third Bicol sword and now it become maybe more clear why I am so confident that the first shown sword is from Bicol as well.

This sword has the same blade shape like the first shown sword and the handle shows clearly the same style (in up the head) like the first sword. The scabbard remains only as fragment. The first shown sword is complete from wood, the second seems complete leather and this one is wood covered with leather.
Maybe Robert will be so kind to show all three handles side by side again.

Sajen · 1st November 2014, 04:27 PM

Have received the two first shown swords and I am very pleased with them. Now I am very confident that all three swords from Bicol and also that the first shown sword is pre WWII when I "read" the patina of this sword correct. First I will show all three swords side by side. The first and third sword have a nearly identical blade shape and both swords have a nearly similar thick blade near at the handle (1,2 cm). This seems to be a not uncommon blade shape for some Bicol swords, see the picture taken from this thread, post #16: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol. Also the scabbard shown in this thread is very similar to the first sword shown here. Please excuse me that I am dogged in this matter but I think there is very little known about Bicol swords and this thread could be a first step to learn more about the swords from this region.

Sajen · 1st November 2014, 04:48 PM

Here again the first shown sword with scabbard in comparison with in the previous post mentioned sword and an other Bicol sword which was shown here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol
Please note the similarities of all three scabbards and also again of the blade shape of my sword and the first other sword. Please note also that the first other shown sword also don't have a peened through tang.
Again, please excuse that I am persistent in this matter!

Battara · 2nd November 2014, 01:39 AM

I must admit that those scabbards are Bicolano for sure. One of those hilts has a tang through the hilt.

You are also right - not much out there on Bicolano pieces.

16th July 2014, 08:05 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Today I received a third Bicol sword and now it become maybe more clear why I am so confident that the first shown sword is from Bicol as well. This sword has the same blade shape like the first shown sword and the handle shows clearly the same style (in up the head) like the first sword. The scabbard remains only as fragment. The first shown sword is complete from wood, the second seems complete leather and this one is wood covered with leather. Maybe Robert will be so kind to show all three handles side by side again. Attached Images

1st November 2014, 04:27 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Have received the two first shown swords and I am very pleased with them. Now I am very confident that all three swords from Bicol and also that the first shown sword is pre WWII when I "read" the patina of this sword correct. First I will show all three swords side by side. The first and third sword have a nearly identical blade shape and both swords have a nearly similar thick blade near at the handle (1,2 cm). This seems to be a not uncommon blade shape for some Bicol swords, see the picture taken from this thread, post #16: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol. Also the scabbard shown in this thread is very similar to the first sword shown here. Please excuse me that I am dogged in this matter but I think there is very little known about Bicol swords and this thread could be a first step to learn more about the swords from this region. Attached Images

1st November 2014, 04:48 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Here again the first shown sword with scabbard in comparison with in the previous post mentioned sword and an other Bicol sword which was shown here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol Please note the similarities of all three scabbards and also again of the blade shape of my sword and the first other sword. Please note also that the first other shown sword also don't have a peened through tang. Again, please excuse that I am persistent in this matter! Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 1st November 2014 at 06:39 PM.

14th July 2014, 01:07 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	For now I'd say the first sword is Visayan.....

2nd November 2014, 01:39 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I must admit that those scabbards are Bicolano for sure. One of those hilts has a tang through the hilt. You are also right - not much out there on Bicolano pieces.