Possible haquebut ball

Marcus den toom · 19th June 2014, 10:53 AM

Hi Michl,

Thank you for your, as always, extesive answer

I bought this ball yesterday morning, so when it arrives i will make better pictures and hope to find out if it is limestone or marble... or some sort of other rock.

Here is a picture of the clod shot found in the Netherlands. They are dated as early as 1385, the year the castle was destroyed.

Matchlock · 19th June 2014, 11:09 AM

Hi Marcus,

That clod shot incites me!
Right now that my computer man provided with a provisional email until Outlook will work again:
Please do email me that illustration and let me know whether it is the same group discussed in

Jan Piet Puype & Harm Stevens: Arms and Armour of Knights and Landsknechts, in the Netherlandish Army Museum.
Delft, 2010. ISBN 978-90-5972-413-6, pp. 334-9.

In the book, it says 1375, though ...

Please see top five attachments - and my thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=clod+shot

The two last attachments depict 15th c. stone shot consisting of quartzite and black flint; Puype/Stevens, p. 332f.

Marcus, all considered, there seems to be a high probability that your item, too, consists of quartzite.

Thanks, and best,
Michl

Marcus den toom · 19th June 2014, 05:45 PM

Hi Michl,

Email has been send

That clod shot is very interesting indeed and not too uncommon at certain places here.

I hope to recieve that ball next week, quarzite or limestone... it will be one more important item for my growing collection

Matchlock · 20th June 2014, 10:40 AM

Hi Marcus,
and Nando,

My email program is on strike once more; all the mails I receive are without any text. I hope it will be fixed by the end of next week.

Best,
Michl

fernando · 20th June 2014, 12:57 PM

I will resend you my last email by PM

Marcus den toom · 29th June 2014, 10:49 PM

I have recieved the ball and i weighted it, it came out on approximately 26 grams. I also measured the diameter and this is 2,9-3,0 cm.
So when calculating the volume we can use the 4/3 x Pi x R(Radius)^3 formula. This would be 14,137 cubic centimeters. The density of limestone is between 2,3-2,7 that of quartzite 2,6-2,8 and marble 2,4-2,7 gr/cm3.

The weight and diameter would sugest a material of 1,85 gr/cm3

This is a very pragmatic view and too hard on my brain at this time of day after a train journey of 6 hours or so...

Attached are pictures of this ball.

Best as always and sleep well my friends.

Marcus den toom · 7th August 2014, 06:36 PM

Hi,

These finds where send to me by a friend and metal detector fanatic. They look like clod shot but with a rounded or pointed end. Anyone a clue if my hunch is right?

They vary within the 23-26mm diameter range according to my friend.

19th June 2014, 11:09 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Marcus, That clod shot incites me! Right now that my computer man provided with a provisional email until Outlook will work again: Please do email me that illustration and let me know whether it is the same group discussed in Jan Piet Puype & Harm Stevens: Arms and Armour of Knights and Landsknechts, in the Netherlandish Army Museum. Delft, 2010. ISBN 978-90-5972-413-6, pp. 334-9. In the book, it says 1375, though ... Please see top five attachments - and my thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=clod+shot The two last attachments depict 15th c. stone shot consisting of quartzite and black flint; Puype/Stevens, p. 332f. Marcus, all considered, there seems to be a high probability that your item, too, consists of quartzite. Thanks, and best, Michl Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 19th June 2014 at 01:17 PM.

7th August 2014, 06:36 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	clod shot? Hi, These finds where send to me by a friend and metal detector fanatic. They look like clod shot but with a rounded or pointed end. Anyone a clue if my hunch is right? They vary within the 23-26mm diameter range according to my friend.

19th June 2014, 10:53 AM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Michl, Thank you for your, as always, extesive answer I bought this ball yesterday morning, so when it arrives i will make better pictures and hope to find out if it is limestone or marble... or some sort of other rock. Here is a picture of the clod shot found in the Netherlands. They are dated as early as 1385, the year the castle was destroyed.

19th June 2014, 05:45 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Michl, Email has been send That clod shot is very interesting indeed and not too uncommon at certain places here. I hope to recieve that ball next week, quarzite or limestone... it will be one more important item for my growing collection

20th June 2014, 10:40 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Marcus, and Nando, My email program is on strike once more; all the mails I receive are without any text. I hope it will be fixed by the end of next week. Best, Michl

20th June 2014, 12:57 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I will resend you my last email by PM

29th June 2014, 10:49 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	I have recieved the ball and i weighted it, it came out on approximately 26 grams. I also measured the diameter and this is 2,9-3,0 cm. So when calculating the volume we can use the 4/3 x Pi x R(Radius)^3 formula. This would be 14,137 cubic centimeters. The density of limestone is between 2,3-2,7 that of quartzite 2,6-2,8 and marble 2,4-2,7 gr/cm3. The weight and diameter would sugest a material of 1,85 gr/cm3 This is a very pragmatic view and too hard on my brain at this time of day after a train journey of 6 hours or so... Attached are pictures of this ball. Best as always and sleep well my friends.