Hunting Sword no.2

Norman McCormick · 5th June 2014, 08:21 PM

Hi Fernando,
Different again!!!

My Regards,
Norman.

fernando · 5th June 2014, 08:33 PM

Nah ... that´s photoshoping

Jim McDougall · 7th June 2014, 02:30 AM

Norman, all I can add is I think you are spot on with this one, and the style etching and stand of arms in general motif seems to also correspond to French examples. It seems like those flared out grip shapes are often on these as well.

Norman McCormick · 10th June 2014, 05:23 PM

Hi,
Does anybody have any thoughts as to a stand of arms on a hunting sword rather than the usual hunt and forest scenes? I did find one other example of a hunting sword with a stand of arms and it had, if memory serves, a similar hilt and mounts. Was this just the penchant of one particular maker or would it have been a customer request or was it perhaps not just for the hunt?.
Regards,
Norman.

P.S. In my original post I stated the max thickness as 5/8 inch this should be in fact 5/16 inch, apologies.

Jim McDougall · 11th June 2014, 03:59 AM

Hi Norman,
It is my understanding that hunting swords were often used by officers in campaign, and certainly in degree vice versa. The hunting sword was an important element of fashion for the gentry, which also of course included military officers. While these were important implements in the hunt, they served as well as weapons for officers, and in accord with military fashion, the blades used in the hunt, an event where the gentry and these military officers were often one in the same, embellishments might include varying motif.

I think the best descriptions of these instances and blades are in "Hunting Weapons" by Howard Blackmore, but in general, I thing the occurrence of either civilian hunt or military panoplies might be fairly common. The hunting sword also became very popular as a 'court' weapon as well.
The descriptions of these swords..hunting, court and dress swords are kind of misleading in my view as far as their actual use.

Outstanding examples you are posting here!!! Thank you!!!

All the best,
Jim

M ELEY · 11th June 2014, 04:35 AM

I'm right there with you on this one, Jim! The hanger remained popular with officers in the infantry, army and navy as well. The lack of a typical hunting motiff might hint at an officer's piece. Very nice sword!

Jim McDougall · 11th June 2014, 08:04 PM

Thanks so much Cap'n Mark!!! We know quite well that these hunting swords were profoundly at sea as well, in fact its hard to look at many of them without wondering if it had nautical associations !!

Indeed these examples are amazing, Norman again, cannot thank you enough for opening these threads with these swords. They are far too out of the limelight typically, very much like smallswords , and deserve this kind of attention.

5th June 2014, 08:21 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi Fernando, Different again!!! My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

5th June 2014, 08:33 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Nah ... that´s photoshoping

7th June 2014, 02:30 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Norman, all I can add is I think you are spot on with this one, and the style etching and stand of arms in general motif seems to also correspond to French examples. It seems like those flared out grip shapes are often on these as well.

10th June 2014, 05:23 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi, Does anybody have any thoughts as to a stand of arms on a hunting sword rather than the usual hunt and forest scenes? I did find one other example of a hunting sword with a stand of arms and it had, if memory serves, a similar hilt and mounts. Was this just the penchant of one particular maker or would it have been a customer request or was it perhaps not just for the hunt?. Regards, Norman. P.S. In my original post I stated the max thickness as 5/8 inch this should be in fact 5/16 inch, apologies.

11th June 2014, 03:59 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Hi Norman, It is my understanding that hunting swords were often used by officers in campaign, and certainly in degree vice versa. The hunting sword was an important element of fashion for the gentry, which also of course included military officers. While these were important implements in the hunt, they served as well as weapons for officers, and in accord with military fashion, the blades used in the hunt, an event where the gentry and these military officers were often one in the same, embellishments might include varying motif. I think the best descriptions of these instances and blades are in "Hunting Weapons" by Howard Blackmore, but in general, I thing the occurrence of either civilian hunt or military panoplies might be fairly common. The hunting sword also became very popular as a 'court' weapon as well. The descriptions of these swords..hunting, court and dress swords are kind of misleading in my view as far as their actual use. Outstanding examples you are posting here!!! Thank you!!! All the best, Jim

11th June 2014, 04:35 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,158	I'm right there with you on this one, Jim! The hanger remained popular with officers in the infantry, army and navy as well. The lack of a typical hunting motiff might hint at an officer's piece. Very nice sword!

11th June 2014, 08:04 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Thanks so much Cap'n Mark!!! We know quite well that these hunting swords were profoundly at sea as well, in fact its hard to look at many of them without wondering if it had nautical associations !! Indeed these examples are amazing, Norman again, cannot thank you enough for opening these threads with these swords. They are far too out of the limelight typically, very much like smallswords , and deserve this kind of attention.