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Bill · 17th November 2005, 05:58 PM

How long will the swords be gone? I have a couple that can not be replaced, how will insurance work for something like that. I have about 200 PI swords, most that are just average pieces. Group pics would be a good thing, as I'm not sure exactly what is being sought. Then better pics of what may of interest. Would it complicate posting group pics here? I have several old barungs; by themselves, they are average. But one may fit in nicely if there were a time table of the barung; the same might be said about any type of PI sword. I have 4 barungs with what appears to be Chinese characters, are they of interest. I have a few pieces that seem to be from the PI, but I am not sure. I've posted a lot of pics on the forum, is there a particular sword that might be of interest?

Rick · 17th November 2005, 07:01 PM

Hi Guys , I'm simply a participant and helper here ; I do not expect to (nor should I) be on the final selection committee .

I hope that if any of my descriptions are incorrect someone will step up and help to rectify the situation .

Bill I am sending a few irreplacable pieces myself ; I believe in the Museum and I believe that FEDEX will do a proper job in returning your pieces .

I guess that what this all boils down to is having trust in the process .
I will continue to add to my Moro selection ; and when you look at the nature of these pieces each unique in their own way you could say that they're ALL irreplacable .

ibeam · 17th November 2005, 08:45 PM

Hello All,
I just got Rick's PM yesterday and would be glad to loan a few pieces to the Museum. Like Federico mentioned, moro swords will be well covered so I would like to contribute on the other areas. I have a few Luzon bolos (katipunan era pieces) and also a few Visayan bolos (tenegre, sanduko, banangong, and such). Now where and who do I send pics??

Regards,
Jonathan

Mark · 17th November 2005, 09:08 PM

Great to have you on board, Jonathan! Just read my first sticky thread above, and probably 90% of your questions will be answered. Hopefully.

i likely failed to address a lot of things, but I tried to cover the basics.

Mark

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibeam

Hello All,
I just got Rick's PM yesterday and would be glad to loan a few pieces to the Museum. Like Federico mentioned, moro swords will be well covered so I would like to contribute on the other areas. I have a few Luzon bolos (katipunan era pieces) and also a few Visayan bolos (tenegre, sanduko, banangong, and such). Now where and who do I send pics??

Regards,
Jonathan

Mark · 17th November 2005, 09:06 PM

To answer as many of these questions as I can from my own experience and understanding (and I guess preference as far as the forum itself goes).

Threads: As many as you need. I know Antonio suggested otherwise, but I AM IN CONTROL!!!!! (mua ha ha ha ha ....).

Seriously, my thinking is that a few, focused threads on specific topics is better than mushy threads that sort of cover everything. In this way, everyone can go right to the topic in order to ask or get answered any question they have without have to search through a long string of posts in one huge thread. I will start a few that I think might be useful, and we can decide if it works or not.

Photos: You don't have to photograph your entire collection. The first thing I did was look through my collection and physically pull out and put aside the pieces that I thought were nice and would be good for the section. Then to the extent I didn't have some picture of it already, I took a quick photo. It doesn't have to be a Picasso or Pulitzer Prize caliber picture, but something clear enough to let the other's see what it is & how it looks. The high quality pictures for the catalogue will be taken by the Museum once the final pieces arrive in Macao.

Time away from home: I am allowing six months in my own mind, between the time before the show for processing, the three months exhibition itself, and some time to pack up and ship back after the show. Antonio I am sure will give a better answer than that, though.

Decision making: That is most of what will be done here on the Forum. I have no idea personally about what to put in and what not to, but I can help with suggestions just based on what I know of the exhibition hall layout (which I have seen in person), and what I have learned while doing my own section. I have already given a few just about sort of the mental approach you should all take. I do highly recommend that one or two people make the first broad cut once everything is on the table. What I did at first was to take everything we had and group stuff by similarity, literally moving photos around in a PowerPoint file. Then we looked them over and decided which best showed a particular style or feature or historic period. It also helped us notice gaps. So maybe one person at first can sit and take all the barongs offered and put them together, all the kris, etc. I did this by printing out the pictures from our working page and laying them out on the floor in stacks, then going back and re-grouping the pictures on the computer. We had fewer pieces than you do, but I suggest organizing them in groups as a list with their ID numbers, and forwarding that to Antonio and I, who will then physically group them on the web (assuming that is what you all want).

Posting some pictures here as suggestions by whoever does this first step is a good idea, as well as posting representatives of the proposed groups. Whatever you think will work, and we can adjust as we go along.

Irreplacable pieces Rick said it all. Everything in this exhibition will be irreplaceable, either literally or sentimentally. We do need to have a certain level of trust in the process. There are things that are priceless to the point where placing an insurance value on them, no matter how high, is meaningless. I have said many times that based on direct personal interviews and inspections of the Museum operations & facilities, that Antonio, the Museum, and the Museum staff have my 100% confidence in every respect. Of course, that opinion is worth as much as my credibility is with you, but I hope I have at least a little.

If you don't know, I am a 42 year-old lawyer who has not only lived abroad, but have had my share of getting screwed, this in addition to spending 12+ years litigating against other wily lawyers, which sharpens your BS detecter, your paranoia, and your ability not to be taken for a ride. So, I know what to look for and what to look out for.

I hope this helps. I am sure others have more to add. I'll go start some basic threads, now.

Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

I know Antonio suggested otherwise, but I AM IN CONTROL!!!!! (mua ha ha ha ha ....).

Aye Gov'nah

Seriously now, I saw the nice set of threads you put up.
Applause

Thanks Mark

Antonio

Antonio Cejunior · 24th November 2005, 09:39 AM

Hi everyone,

We have reached a very encouraging number of entries.
Please check here and we're still waiting for Vandoo's entries.
I think that once everyone send me their entries as descriptions,
we will be able to start the selection process and discuss it.

Let's wait until the end of the month? November 30?

This is great work.
Very best to all,
Antonio

Antonio Cejunior · 26th November 2005, 11:52 PM

Hi Gentlemen,

Just thought I would chime in.
Until now, the entries list has reached a record of 76, soon to be 78 as I mistakenly thought two items were repetitions.

This is really amazing. Please take a good look at the link's contents.

I now there are more to come.

Bless you all.

Battara · 27th November 2005, 01:03 AM

Boy do I feel stupid - I just now re-read this thread and saw your suggestion for me to coordinate and select the collectors part.

Catching on slowly but surely.

Antonio Cejunior · 27th November 2005, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Boy do I feel stupid - I just now re-read this thread and saw your suggestion for me to coordinate and select the collectors part.

Catching on slowly but surely.

No problem

My record was being introduced to one of our best friends for fifteen times. At that time she could not endure more and said:
Antonio, enough is enough! Best take a good look at me. We know you live in another world, but come down for a moment. Yiiiikes!

It turned out she is one of my wife's best friends.

So no problem since an email has been sent to you

Best regards,

Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

How long will the swords be gone? I have a couple that can not be replaced, how will insurance work for something like that. I have about 200 PI swords, most that are just average pieces. Group pics would be a good thing, as I'm not sure exactly what is being sought. Then better pics of what may of interest. Would it complicate posting group pics here? I have several old barungs; by themselves, they are average. But one may fit in nicely if there were a time table of the barung; the same might be said about any type of PI sword. I have 4 barungs with what appears to be Chinese characters, are they of interest. I have a few pieces that seem to be from the PI, but I am not sure. I've posted a lot of pics on the forum, is there a particular sword that might be of interest?

Hi Bill,

The exhibition will begin in May 2006 and will last for 3 months. The schedule is on the sticky thread posted by Mark.
Insurance is against all risks and is done with an Insurance Company that works with the Museum, so they know our requirements. Please don't worry because our responsibility is much higher. If you check the Masters of Fire Exhibition Preparations link you'll see how we handle things.

I must apologize, but I have requested Rick to change the two spears pictures in one picture per description. We cannot go for group pictures. Please bear with me, it is very confusing to start saying the second from the left. We must work from the beggining with References. I submitted one piece AC1 That's all I got, but it is identifiable as AC1

I very much appreciate your understanding and precious collaboration.
We cannot go fishing for pics on the forum.

Please read my reply to Federico Malibago.

Thank you

Your contribution is most precious. My email is {e-mail address removed 1/4/06} and it is in the sticky post.

17th November 2005, 08:45 PM	#3
ibeam Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 134	Collection Contribution Hello All, I just got Rick's PM yesterday and would be glad to loan a few pieces to the Museum. Like Federico mentioned, moro swords will be well covered so I would like to contribute on the other areas. I have a few Luzon bolos (katipunan era pieces) and also a few Visayan bolos (tenegre, sanduko, banangong, and such). Now where and who do I send pics?? Regards, Jonathan

24th November 2005, 09:39 AM	#7
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	NICE NUMBER OF ENTRIES NOVEMBER 24 Hi everyone, We have reached a very encouraging number of entries. Please check here and we're still waiting for Vandoo's entries. I think that once everyone send me their entries as descriptions, we will be able to start the selection process and discuss it. Let's wait until the end of the month? November 30? This is great work. Very best to all, Antonio

26th November 2005, 11:52 PM	#8
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Amazing number of entries Hi Gentlemen, Just thought I would chime in. Until now, the entries list has reached a record of 76, soon to be 78 as I mistakenly thought two items were repetitions. This is really amazing. Please take a good look at the link's contents. I now there are more to come. Bless you all.

17th November 2005, 05:58 PM	#1
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	How long will the swords be gone? I have a couple that can not be replaced, how will insurance work for something like that. I have about 200 PI swords, most that are just average pieces. Group pics would be a good thing, as I'm not sure exactly what is being sought. Then better pics of what may of interest. Would it complicate posting group pics here? I have several old barungs; by themselves, they are average. But one may fit in nicely if there were a time table of the barung; the same might be said about any type of PI sword. I have 4 barungs with what appears to be Chinese characters, are they of interest. I have a few pieces that seem to be from the PI, but I am not sure. I've posted a lot of pics on the forum, is there a particular sword that might be of interest?

17th November 2005, 07:01 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Hi Guys , I'm simply a participant and helper here ; I do not expect to (nor should I) be on the final selection committee . I hope that if any of my descriptions are incorrect someone will step up and help to rectify the situation . Bill I am sending a few irreplacable pieces myself ; I believe in the Museum and I believe that FEDEX will do a proper job in returning your pieces . I guess that what this all boils down to is having trust in the process . I will continue to add to my Moro selection ; and when you look at the nature of these pieces each unique in their own way you could say that they're ALL irreplacable .

17th November 2005, 09:06 PM	#5
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	To answer as many of these questions as I can from my own experience and understanding (and I guess preference as far as the forum itself goes). Threads: As many as you need. I know Antonio suggested otherwise, but I AM IN CONTROL!!!!! (mua ha ha ha ha ....). Seriously, my thinking is that a few, focused threads on specific topics is better than mushy threads that sort of cover everything. In this way, everyone can go right to the topic in order to ask or get answered any question they have without have to search through a long string of posts in one huge thread. I will start a few that I think might be useful, and we can decide if it works or not. Photos: You don't have to photograph your entire collection. The first thing I did was look through my collection and physically pull out and put aside the pieces that I thought were nice and would be good for the section. Then to the extent I didn't have some picture of it already, I took a quick photo. It doesn't have to be a Picasso or Pulitzer Prize caliber picture, but something clear enough to let the other's see what it is & how it looks. The high quality pictures for the catalogue will be taken by the Museum once the final pieces arrive in Macao. Time away from home: I am allowing six months in my own mind, between the time before the show for processing, the three months exhibition itself, and some time to pack up and ship back after the show. Antonio I am sure will give a better answer than that, though. Decision making: That is most of what will be done here on the Forum. I have no idea personally about what to put in and what not to, but I can help with suggestions just based on what I know of the exhibition hall layout (which I have seen in person), and what I have learned while doing my own section. I have already given a few just about sort of the mental approach you should all take. I do highly recommend that one or two people make the first broad cut once everything is on the table. What I did at first was to take everything we had and group stuff by similarity, literally moving photos around in a PowerPoint file. Then we looked them over and decided which best showed a particular style or feature or historic period. It also helped us notice gaps. So maybe one person at first can sit and take all the barongs offered and put them together, all the kris, etc. I did this by printing out the pictures from our working page and laying them out on the floor in stacks, then going back and re-grouping the pictures on the computer. We had fewer pieces than you do, but I suggest organizing them in groups as a list with their ID numbers, and forwarding that to Antonio and I, who will then physically group them on the web (assuming that is what you all want). Posting some pictures here as suggestions by whoever does this first step is a good idea, as well as posting representatives of the proposed groups. Whatever you think will work, and we can adjust as we go along. Irreplacable pieces Rick said it all. Everything in this exhibition will be irreplaceable, either literally or sentimentally. We do need to have a certain level of trust in the process. There are things that are priceless to the point where placing an insurance value on them, no matter how high, is meaningless. I have said many times that based on direct personal interviews and inspections of the Museum operations & facilities, that Antonio, the Museum, and the Museum staff have my 100% confidence in every respect. Of course, that opinion is worth as much as my credibility is with you, but I hope I have at least a little. If you don't know, I am a 42 year-old lawyer who has not only lived abroad, but have had my share of getting screwed, this in addition to spending 12+ years litigating against other wily lawyers, which sharpens your BS detecter, your paranoia, and your ability not to be taken for a ride. So, I know what to look for and what to look out for. I hope this helps. I am sure others have more to add. I'll go start some basic threads, now.

27th November 2005, 01:03 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Boy do I feel stupid - I just now re-read this thread and saw your suggestion for me to coordinate and select the collectors part. Catching on slowly but surely.