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[Antonio Cejunior]

Originally Posted by Federico

I will not be able to photograph and measure my entire collection by the 25th. Most likely I will probably not have the time to do so til after the 7th or 8th.

Will do. Please check your PM.
I'll be posting next a small brief and simple tutorial

[Antonio Cejunior]

Gentlemen,

May I share with you all a simple set up.

1. If you want to be in open air, do not be on plain sunlight, but on shadowed area.
2. If you are at home, choose a place near a window.



This is a 600 pixels wide photograph. It is taken from an imaginary window and you can see the styrofoam background on the floor and the vertical styrofoam reflector with a chair or stool behind for reflecting the light from the window. The reflector bounces the light on the opposite side of the window.



Here is the result. In internet be always aware to take the pictures in horizontal shape whenever prossible, be it a general view or a close up detail.
The sword should be placed in a diagonal line to maximize its size in the 600 pixels format.

One the set up is done, and it is very simple using natural light, it takes about the time to frame and shoot. Then the next one, and another and the next.

In no time this can be achieved.
Hope it helps everyone.

One mistake: I did not take the picture with the blade unsheathed.
Here is one which should be the standard procedure.



Always the blade on top and the sheath parallel to the blade.

It is really simple and quick.

Hope it helps everyone.

[Federico]

Need some clarification here.

So only one thread in this forum should be active?

Do we have any idea yet who is contributing pieces, is it just myself, Rick, and Jose (battara)? Given the proposed deadline for submission is only a week away, so far these are the only people on this forum who have voiced here a willingness to contribute (I am unsure how much activity is occuring off this forum or before it was set up).

The theme of what weapons of the Philippines from which representative areas will be decided by a committee composed of Jose, Anotonio, Rick, Mark, and Ian? Since I will not be part of this process, are you guys willing to share how you plan on dividing the Philippines? Which regions or what types of weapons will receive attention?

I had hoped we could identify our needs in the display first, as it would be easier to photograph a few representative individual pieces (eg. if we only need bolo only photographing bolo instead of kris), rather than all 50 some pieces (the vast majority consisting of low quality pieces in various degrees of dis-repair) of my Philippine collection. But since the request has been to photograph my enitre collection, and since we are limited to around 35 pieces, I can do some quick group shots of the pieces that are complete enough (eg. not missing too many parts such as hilts and contain no ivory) that would be suitable for display, and once decided by the committee which pieces are suitable take the individual shots and measurements. Though I must warn the committee in advanced my collection is not very representative of the entire Philippines, nor does it contain very many "quality" pieces, I hope you will take this in mind when making your decision, and not let the slant of my collection influence what areas of the Philippines will be displayed.

[Bill]

How long will the swords be gone? I have a couple that can not be replaced, how will insurance work for something like that. I have about 200 PI swords, most that are just average pieces. Group pics would be a good thing, as I'm not sure exactly what is being sought. Then better pics of what may of interest. Would it complicate posting group pics here? I have several old barungs; by themselves, they are average. But one may fit in nicely if there were a time table of the barung; the same might be said about any type of PI sword. I have 4 barungs with what appears to be Chinese characters, are they of interest. I have a few pieces that seem to be from the PI, but I am not sure. I've posted a lot of pics on the forum, is there a particular sword that might be of interest?

[Rick]

Hi Guys , I'm simply a participant and helper here ; I do not expect to (nor should I) be on the final selection committee .

I hope that if any of my descriptions are incorrect someone will step up and help to rectify the situation .

Bill I am sending a few irreplacable pieces myself ; I believe in the Museum and I believe that FEDEX will do a proper job in returning your pieces .

I guess that what this all boils down to is having trust in the process .
I will continue to add to my Moro selection ; and when you look at the nature of these pieces each unique in their own way you could say that they're ALL irreplacable .

[ibeam]

Hello All,
I just got Rick's PM yesterday and would be glad to loan a few pieces to the Museum. Like Federico mentioned, moro swords will be well covered so I would like to contribute on the other areas. I have a few Luzon bolos (katipunan era pieces) and also a few Visayan bolos (tenegre, sanduko, banangong, and such). Now where and who do I send pics??

Regards,
Jonathan

[Mark]

Great to have you on board, Jonathan! Just read my first sticky thread above, and probably 90% of your questions will be answered. Hopefully. i likely failed to address a lot of things, but I tried to cover the basics.

Mark

Originally Posted by ibeam

Hello All,
I just got Rick's PM yesterday and would be glad to loan a few pieces to the Museum. Like Federico mentioned, moro swords will be well covered so I would like to contribute on the other areas. I have a few Luzon bolos (katipunan era pieces) and also a few Visayan bolos (tenegre, sanduko, banangong, and such). Now where and who do I send pics??

Regards,
Jonathan

[Mark]

To answer as many of these questions as I can from my own experience and understanding (and I guess preference as far as the forum itself goes).

Threads: As many as you need. I know Antonio suggested otherwise, but I AM IN CONTROL!!!!! (mua ha ha ha ha ....).

Seriously, my thinking is that a few, focused threads on specific topics is better than mushy threads that sort of cover everything. In this way, everyone can go right to the topic in order to ask or get answered any question they have without have to search through a long string of posts in one huge thread. I will start a few that I think might be useful, and we can decide if it works or not.

Photos: You don't have to photograph your entire collection. The first thing I did was look through my collection and physically pull out and put aside the pieces that I thought were nice and would be good for the section. Then to the extent I didn't have some picture of it already, I took a quick photo. It doesn't have to be a Picasso or Pulitzer Prize caliber picture, but something clear enough to let the other's see what it is & how it looks. The high quality pictures for the catalogue will be taken by the Museum once the final pieces arrive in Macao.

Time away from home: I am allowing six months in my own mind, between the time before the show for processing, the three months exhibition itself, and some time to pack up and ship back after the show. Antonio I am sure will give a better answer than that, though.

Decision making: That is most of what will be done here on the Forum. I have no idea personally about what to put in and what not to, but I can help with suggestions just based on what I know of the exhibition hall layout (which I have seen in person), and what I have learned while doing my own section. I have already given a few just about sort of the mental approach you should all take. I do highly recommend that one or two people make the first broad cut once everything is on the table. What I did at first was to take everything we had and group stuff by similarity, literally moving photos around in a PowerPoint file. Then we looked them over and decided which best showed a particular style or feature or historic period. It also helped us notice gaps. So maybe one person at first can sit and take all the barongs offered and put them together, all the kris, etc. I did this by printing out the pictures from our working page and laying them out on the floor in stacks, then going back and re-grouping the pictures on the computer. We had fewer pieces than you do, but I suggest organizing them in groups as a list with their ID numbers, and forwarding that to Antonio and I, who will then physically group them on the web (assuming that is what you all want).

Posting some pictures here as suggestions by whoever does this first step is a good idea, as well as posting representatives of the proposed groups. Whatever you think will work, and we can adjust as we go along.

Irreplacable pieces Rick said it all. Everything in this exhibition will be irreplaceable, either literally or sentimentally. We do need to have a certain level of trust in the process. There are things that are priceless to the point where placing an insurance value on them, no matter how high, is meaningless. I have said many times that based on direct personal interviews and inspections of the Museum operations & facilities, that Antonio, the Museum, and the Museum staff have my 100% confidence in every respect. Of course, that opinion is worth as much as my credibility is with you, but I hope I have at least a little. If you don't know, I am a 42 year-old lawyer who has not only lived abroad, but have had my share of getting screwed, this in addition to spending 12+ years litigating against other wily lawyers, which sharpens your BS detecter, your paranoia, and your ability not to be taken for a ride. So, I know what to look for and what to look out for.

I hope this helps. I am sure others have more to add. I'll go start some basic threads, now.

[Antonio Cejunior]

Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

I know Antonio suggested otherwise, but I AM IN CONTROL!!!!! (mua ha ha ha ha ....).

Aye Gov'nah

Seriously now, I saw the nice set of threads you put up.
Applause
Thanks Mark

Antonio

[Antonio Cejunior]

Hi everyone,

We have reached a very encouraging number of entries.
Please check here and we're still waiting for Vandoo's entries.
I think that once everyone send me their entries as descriptions,
we will be able to start the selection process and discuss it.

Let's wait until the end of the month? November 30?

This is great work.
Very best to all,
Antonio

[Antonio Cejunior]

Originally Posted by Bill

How long will the swords be gone? I have a couple that can not be replaced, how will insurance work for something like that. I have about 200 PI swords, most that are just average pieces. Group pics would be a good thing, as I'm not sure exactly what is being sought. Then better pics of what may of interest. Would it complicate posting group pics here? I have several old barungs; by themselves, they are average. But one may fit in nicely if there were a time table of the barung; the same might be said about any type of PI sword. I have 4 barungs with what appears to be Chinese characters, are they of interest. I have a few pieces that seem to be from the PI, but I am not sure. I've posted a lot of pics on the forum, is there a particular sword that might be of interest?

Hi Bill,

The exhibition will begin in May 2006 and will last for 3 months. The schedule is on the sticky thread posted by Mark.
Insurance is against all risks and is done with an Insurance Company that works with the Museum, so they know our requirements. Please don't worry because our responsibility is much higher. If you check the Masters of Fire Exhibition Preparations link you'll see how we handle things.

I must apologize, but I have requested Rick to change the two spears pictures in one picture per description. We cannot go for group pictures. Please bear with me, it is very confusing to start saying the second from the left. We must work from the beggining with References. I submitted one piece AC1 That's all I got, but it is identifiable as AC1

I very much appreciate your understanding and precious collaboration.
We cannot go fishing for pics on the forum. Please read my reply to Federico Malibago.

Thank you Your contribution is most precious. My email is {e-mail address removed 1/4/06} and it is in the sticky post.

[Antonio Cejunior]

FRED

Originally Posted by Federico

Need some clarification here.

So only one thread in this forum should be active?

No, but I though it would be a good idea for the introductory process to concentrate all the information in one thread, so all contributors get information.
Then we can split in different topic threads such as Swords Final Selection once we have the submissions.
Another thread for Packing and Shipping and so forth. This will grow naturally.

Do we have any idea yet who is contributing pieces, is it just myself, Rick, and Jose (battara)? Given the proposed deadline for submission is only a week away, so far these are the only people on this forum who have voiced here a willingness to contribute (I am unsure how much activity is occuring off this forum or before it was set up).

I will ask Rick and Mark to PM you the people who were contacted.
One week is not that short for submissions, if you consider that a picture as I posted above, will take less than a minute to take, after the set up.
People can send the picture with the identification and leave the measurements for later, for selection purposes, if that suits each contributor. We have to be flexible.

The theme of what weapons of the Philippines from which representative areas will be decided by a committee composed of Jose, Anotonio, Rick, Mark, and Ian? Since I will not be part of this process, are you guys willing to share how you plan on dividing the Philippines? Which regions or what types of weapons will receive attention?

I'm writing to you at 4:50 AM my time because it is my available time. The names were suggested by me since I was aware you are busy but I would very much hope you would participate in the selection. Specially since you will be writting the article. The representative areas should be stated by you, gentlemen. I'm here to help with the organization skills I have from the Museum.

I had hoped we could identify our needs in the display first, as it would be easier to photograph a few representative individual pieces (eg. if we only need bolo only photographing bolo instead of kris), rather than all 50 some pieces (the vast majority consisting of low quality pieces in various degrees of dis-repair) of my Philippine collection. But since the request has been to photograph my enitre collection, and since we are limited to around 35 pieces, I can do some quick group shots of the pieces that are complete enough (eg. not missing too many parts such as hilts and contain no ivory) that would be suitable for display, and once decided by the committee which pieces are suitable take the individual shots and measurements. Though I must warn the committee in advanced my collection is not very representative of the entire Philippines, nor does it contain very many "quality" pieces, I hope you will take this in mind when making your decision, and not let the slant of my collection influence what areas of the Philippines will be displayed.

I doubt very much at this stage that anyone can identify the needs. And please hear me: 35 pieces are a guideline for now. Let things unfold. You don't have to put in all your collection. My opinion is that you may want to photograph them all as a back up and just submit the ones you deem more representative and of higher quality. Then, when the panorama is in full view you can say, hey I can throw in this piece to fill in this area.
Hope this helps clarify.

[Antonio Cejunior]

Hi everyone,

Federico has authorized me to update the contributors page with his early entries. Please go here to see the new updates. Please do not forget to click Refresh in your browser. I will also change the inches measurements into metric and plead with everyone contributing to make the measurements in centimeters.

We now have 18 items. Like I said before, please everyone, do not let yourselves be confined to the 35 items at this stage.

We are building an exhibition. Most exhibitions are presented from one Museum to another or one single collection. It is not our case and the challenge of creating it in a most constructive and mature way is what is making this project really unique.

Thank you