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Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 01:14 AM

Hi All,

Whether you are a new contributor or a a present one, this is what was put up from the recent past after this has been pruned. I am almost sure I did not make any mistake.

Clich hereto view. Now we must obtain these contributors confirmation as well other contributions they might have. As they confirm, I will pass the pictures and information to the present page .
Both have back ups with insurance.
Let us not use the cloths shown and just concentrate on the weapons and photographs now.
This exhibition will go down in History in a book's form and will be a source of consultation for years to come. We all need to have this historical vision gentleman. Like I always say: cooperation is much better than confrontation

Than you all.
Antonio

Federico · 17th November 2005, 03:56 AM

Hello Antonio

First off I must apologize in advanced if the tone of my writing is terse in the next few weeks. Unfortunately the timing of the events that happened occured during a highly busy time for me, and my time that I can dedicate to posting is very limited, and can only be done quickly. So if I sound terse, it is due to the time constraints I am currently in, and in no way reflects an un-cooperative spirit.

Everything I offered for exhibit earlier is still on the table. Though given the recent uncertainty of contributors I can add more pieces as needed (eg. some of the pieces I alluded to in my other post such as a head axeas well as older period textiles of the warrior class to replace the newer contemporary textiles I had previously offered). I am willing to send every piece in my collection (barring ivory pieces) if the need is there.

I still feel we need strong coordination in deciding who is contributing what pieces, so that we can draw out central themes that are more representative of the Sandata. Without some coordination we run the danger of artificially over-representing certain areas of the Sandata while de-emphasizing others due to our own tastes in collection. I feel it is greatly important to get at least a rough idea of who at this point will be contributing, and at least a guess as to what can be contributed (hence the other thread). So if other contributors read this post, please chime in on the other thread. The faster we can figure out who is a contributor and what they can contribute, the faster every other aspect of this exhibit can be accomplished.

Federico

Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 04:51 AM

Hi Federico

Wonderful hearing from you

No worries about sounding terse or tense or whatever. I know you are very busy. We are all enriched by your cooperation.

I'm used to take quick decisions when I was the boss at the Macau Cultural and Recreational services, but I now can only make suggestions.

My suggestion is that:
1. You allow me to move your pieces to the new site and please add in some more by emailing Mark and myself. Remember, images must be numbered as FM7.jpg - FM8.jpg as examples and then description with corresponding numbers. You may PM or email me to allow me to transfer the images to the new page.

You may ask why do I have to throw in more pieces?
My answer is:

a. Provides a wider panorama of what you have available and allows all of us to see.

b. Logistically it is much better to have one collector contributing with various pieces than too many collectors contributing with one or two pieces.
It means less shipments, therefore less logistics.

Coordination-Selection
I suggest that Battara for the Collectors, Mark, Ian & Rick for EEWS (they may choose between them who and how many to elect) and myself for the Museum, will form a Selection Group (let's not call it a Committee

)
Disclaimer: my ignorance may have ommitted someone but I am still ignorant of all the specialists.

Battara and EEWS will provide the specimens advice, I will provide input on the view of the display that is in my mind. Please be advised that the entire exhibition has to have one style, and I'm here on the field, know the problems and the space availability and so forth.

Here are two examples of different layouts for the same gallery, therefore my role will be very much the constructive Devil's Advocate.

So when every good willed collector throws in his contributions (please do not self exclude anything just because it is a duplicate) we can go into the process of selection. Since this is not a Miss Universe, this is not about loosers and winners but about a really historical event of a group of collectors showing its vitalitity and sense of long term vision

Thank you all
Antonio

Federico · 17th November 2005, 07:50 AM

I will not be able to photograph and measure my entire collection by the 25th. Most likely I will probably not have the time to do so til after the 7th or 8th.

Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Federico

I will not be able to photograph and measure my entire collection by the 25th. Most likely I will probably not have the time to do so til after the 7th or 8th.

Will do. Please check your PM.
I'll be posting next a small brief and simple tutorial

Antonio Cejunior · 17th November 2005, 09:55 AM

Gentlemen,

May I share with you all a simple set up.

1. If you want to be in open air, do not be on plain sunlight, but on shadowed area.
2. If you are at home, choose a place near a window.

This is a 600 pixels wide photograph. It is taken from an imaginary window and you can see the styrofoam background on the floor and the vertical styrofoam reflector with a chair or stool behind for reflecting the light from the window. The reflector bounces the light on the opposite side of the window.

Here is the result. In internet be always aware to take the pictures in horizontal shape whenever prossible, be it a general view or a close up detail.
The sword should be placed in a diagonal line to maximize its size in the 600 pixels format.

One the set up is done, and it is very simple using natural light, it takes about the time to frame and shoot. Then the next one, and another and the next.

In no time this can be achieved.
Hope it helps everyone.

One mistake: I did not take the picture with the blade unsheathed.
Here is one which should be the standard procedure.

Always the blade on top and the sheath parallel to the blade.

It is really simple and quick.

Hope it helps everyone.

Federico · 17th November 2005, 05:27 PM

Need some clarification here.

So only one thread in this forum should be active?

Do we have any idea yet who is contributing pieces, is it just myself, Rick, and Jose (battara)? Given the proposed deadline for submission is only a week away, so far these are the only people on this forum who have voiced here a willingness to contribute (I am unsure how much activity is occuring off this forum or before it was set up).

The theme of what weapons of the Philippines from which representative areas will be decided by a committee composed of Jose, Anotonio, Rick, Mark, and Ian? Since I will not be part of this process, are you guys willing to share how you plan on dividing the Philippines? Which regions or what types of weapons will receive attention?

I had hoped we could identify our needs in the display first, as it would be easier to photograph a few representative individual pieces (eg. if we only need bolo only photographing bolo instead of kris), rather than all 50 some pieces (the vast majority consisting of low quality pieces in various degrees of dis-repair) of my Philippine collection. But since the request has been to photograph my enitre collection, and since we are limited to around 35 pieces, I can do some quick group shots of the pieces that are complete enough (eg. not missing too many parts such as hilts and contain no ivory) that would be suitable for display, and once decided by the committee which pieces are suitable take the individual shots and measurements. Though I must warn the committee in advanced my collection is not very representative of the entire Philippines, nor does it contain very many "quality" pieces, I hope you will take this in mind when making your decision, and not let the slant of my collection influence what areas of the Philippines will be displayed.

17th November 2005, 01:14 AM	#1
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Further: What was uploaded in the Past Hi All, Whether you are a new contributor or a a present one, this is what was put up from the recent past after this has been pruned. I am almost sure I did not make any mistake. Clich hereto view. Now we must obtain these contributors confirmation as well other contributions they might have. As they confirm, I will pass the pictures and information to the present page . Both have back ups with insurance. Let us not use the cloths shown and just concentrate on the weapons and photographs now. This exhibition will go down in History in a book's form and will be a source of consultation for years to come. We all need to have this historical vision gentleman. Like I always say: cooperation is much better than confrontation Than you all. Antonio

17th November 2005, 04:51 AM	#3
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Good news Hi Federico Wonderful hearing from you No worries about sounding terse or tense or whatever. I know you are very busy. We are all enriched by your cooperation. I'm used to take quick decisions when I was the boss at the Macau Cultural and Recreational services, but I now can only make suggestions. My suggestion is that: 1. You allow me to move your pieces to the new site and please add in some more by emailing Mark and myself. Remember, images must be numbered as FM7.jpg - FM8.jpg as examples and then description with corresponding numbers. You may PM or email me to allow me to transfer the images to the new page. You may ask why do I have to throw in more pieces? My answer is: a. Provides a wider panorama of what you have available and allows all of us to see. b. Logistically it is much better to have one collector contributing with various pieces than too many collectors contributing with one or two pieces. It means less shipments, therefore less logistics. Coordination-Selection I suggest that Battara for the Collectors, Mark, Ian & Rick for EEWS (they may choose between them who and how many to elect) and myself for the Museum, will form a Selection Group (let's not call it a Committee ) Disclaimer: my ignorance may have ommitted someone but I am still ignorant of all the specialists. Battara and EEWS will provide the specimens advice, I will provide input on the view of the display that is in my mind. Please be advised that the entire exhibition has to have one style, and I'm here on the field, know the problems and the space availability and so forth. Here are two examples of different layouts for the same gallery, therefore my role will be very much the constructive Devil's Advocate. So when every good willed collector throws in his contributions (please do not self exclude anything just because it is a duplicate) we can go into the process of selection. Since this is not a Miss Universe, this is not about loosers and winners but about a really historical event of a group of collectors showing its vitalitity and sense of long term vision Thank you all Antonio

17th November 2005, 09:55 AM	#6
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Short photo tutorial Gentlemen, May I share with you all a simple set up. 1. If you want to be in open air, do not be on plain sunlight, but on shadowed area. 2. If you are at home, choose a place near a window. This is a 600 pixels wide photograph. It is taken from an imaginary window and you can see the styrofoam background on the floor and the vertical styrofoam reflector with a chair or stool behind for reflecting the light from the window. The reflector bounces the light on the opposite side of the window. Here is the result. In internet be always aware to take the pictures in horizontal shape whenever prossible, be it a general view or a close up detail. The sword should be placed in a diagonal line to maximize its size in the 600 pixels format. One the set up is done, and it is very simple using natural light, it takes about the time to frame and shoot. Then the next one, and another and the next. In no time this can be achieved. Hope it helps everyone. One mistake: I did not take the picture with the blade unsheathed. Here is one which should be the standard procedure. Always the blade on top and the sheath parallel to the blade. It is really simple and quick. Hope it helps everyone.

17th November 2005, 03:56 AM	#2
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Hello Antonio First off I must apologize in advanced if the tone of my writing is terse in the next few weeks. Unfortunately the timing of the events that happened occured during a highly busy time for me, and my time that I can dedicate to posting is very limited, and can only be done quickly. So if I sound terse, it is due to the time constraints I am currently in, and in no way reflects an un-cooperative spirit. Everything I offered for exhibit earlier is still on the table. Though given the recent uncertainty of contributors I can add more pieces as needed (eg. some of the pieces I alluded to in my other post such as a head axeas well as older period textiles of the warrior class to replace the newer contemporary textiles I had previously offered). I am willing to send every piece in my collection (barring ivory pieces) if the need is there. I still feel we need strong coordination in deciding who is contributing what pieces, so that we can draw out central themes that are more representative of the Sandata. Without some coordination we run the danger of artificially over-representing certain areas of the Sandata while de-emphasizing others due to our own tastes in collection. I feel it is greatly important to get at least a rough idea of who at this point will be contributing, and at least a guess as to what can be contributed (hence the other thread). So if other contributors read this post, please chime in on the other thread. The faster we can figure out who is a contributor and what they can contribute, the faster every other aspect of this exhibit can be accomplished. Federico

17th November 2005, 07:50 AM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	I will not be able to photograph and measure my entire collection by the 25th. Most likely I will probably not have the time to do so til after the 7th or 8th.

17th November 2005, 05:27 PM	#7
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Need some clarification here. So only one thread in this forum should be active? Do we have any idea yet who is contributing pieces, is it just myself, Rick, and Jose (battara)? Given the proposed deadline for submission is only a week away, so far these are the only people on this forum who have voiced here a willingness to contribute (I am unsure how much activity is occuring off this forum or before it was set up). The theme of what weapons of the Philippines from which representative areas will be decided by a committee composed of Jose, Anotonio, Rick, Mark, and Ian? Since I will not be part of this process, are you guys willing to share how you plan on dividing the Philippines? Which regions or what types of weapons will receive attention? I had hoped we could identify our needs in the display first, as it would be easier to photograph a few representative individual pieces (eg. if we only need bolo only photographing bolo instead of kris), rather than all 50 some pieces (the vast majority consisting of low quality pieces in various degrees of dis-repair) of my Philippine collection. But since the request has been to photograph my enitre collection, and since we are limited to around 35 pieces, I can do some quick group shots of the pieces that are complete enough (eg. not missing too many parts such as hilts and contain no ivory) that would be suitable for display, and once decided by the committee which pieces are suitable take the individual shots and measurements. Though I must warn the committee in advanced my collection is not very representative of the entire Philippines, nor does it contain very many "quality" pieces, I hope you will take this in mind when making your decision, and not let the slant of my collection influence what areas of the Philippines will be displayed.