Incendiary quarrels/arrows/crossbow bolts

Matchlock · 18th March 2014, 08:55 PM

Hi Marcus,

This the so-called Buch von den probierten Künsten (on well-tried arts), printed in 1535.

I attached some samples which are of interest in our thread although Helm's original intention was to demonstrate fireworks as a means of merrymaking.

The bottom attachments depicts a notable device quite similar to some presented by Franz Helm; Veste Coburg collections;
and two glass hand grenades for the so-called Greek Fire, 10th-12th c., and a few caltrops; National Historic Museum Athens.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 19th March 2014, 11:13 AM

And finally I found this in my archives:

a roll of 17th/18th century matchcord for kindling hand grenades!

The grenadier just had to take out the wooden plug, pull a small length of match off that quill, light it and set fire to the fuse of the grenade. After throwing the grenade he would just push the match right back into its wooden case and replug it, and the glow would die for lack of oxygen.
Now ain't that a perfect device?

Photographs: Armin König, Germanic National Museum (GNM) Nuremberg.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 20th March 2014, 09:05 PM

Clay and glass hand grenades in the Museo d'Arte, Modena. Italia.

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M ELEY · 21st March 2014, 01:02 AM

Spectacular pics, Michael!!! The Italian ones do very closely resemble the one I inquired about on the other thread! Do you have a prospective date on the last pieces posted? 17th-18th c.? or earlier? Thanks again!
Mark

Matchlock · 21st March 2014, 11:29 AM

Hi Mark,

The caption reads that the first two grenades are dated to ca. 1700, the third 18th c., the fourth and sixth 18th/19th c., and #6 is 18th c.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 21st March 2014, 12:27 PM

Here is an islamic hand grenade, ca. 7th to 9th c. AD, a Fatimidian (Egyptian) grenade of ca. 900-1200 AD and a few modern items, together with some older stuff.

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Matchlock · 23rd March 2014, 07:40 PM

I also found these iron hand grenades in an auction catalog of 2011, 10 cm diameter, probably 18th or 19th c.

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Marcus den toom · 23rd March 2014, 07:42 PM

Some pictures of my Pechkranze, they are some very interesting objects

I am very interested to learn why the fabric is at some places faintly red??

18th March 2014, 08:55 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Marcus, This the so-called Buch von den probierten Künsten (on well-tried arts), printed in 1535. I attached some samples which are of interest in our thread although Helm's original intention was to demonstrate fireworks as a means of merrymaking. The bottom attachments depicts a notable device quite similar to some presented by Franz Helm; Veste Coburg collections; and two glass hand grenades for the so-called Greek Fire, 10th-12th c., and a few caltrops; National Historic Museum Athens. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 18th March 2014 at 11:35 PM.

19th March 2014, 11:13 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And finally I found this in my archives: a roll of 17th/18th century matchcord for kindling hand grenades! The grenadier just had to take out the wooden plug, pull a small length of match off that quill, light it and set fire to the fuse of the grenade. After throwing the grenade he would just push the match right back into its wooden case and replug it, and the glow would die for lack of oxygen. Now ain't that a perfect device? Photographs: Armin König, Germanic National Museum (GNM) Nuremberg. Best, Michael Attached Images

20th March 2014, 09:05 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Clay and glass hand grenades in the Museo d'Arte, Modena. Italia. m Attached Images

23rd March 2014, 07:40 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I also found these iron hand grenades in an auction catalog of 2011, 10 cm diameter, probably 18th or 19th c. m Attached Images

21st March 2014, 01:02 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Spectacular pics, Michael!!! The Italian ones do very closely resemble the one I inquired about on the other thread! Do you have a prospective date on the last pieces posted? 17th-18th c.? or earlier? Thanks again! Mark

21st March 2014, 11:29 AM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Mark, The caption reads that the first two grenades are dated to ca. 1700, the third 18th c., the fourth and sixth 18th/19th c., and #6 is 18th c. Best, Michael

21st March 2014, 12:27 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Here is an islamic hand grenade, ca. 7th to 9th c. AD, a Fatimidian (Egyptian) grenade of ca. 900-1200 AD and a few modern items, together with some older stuff. m Attached Images

23rd March 2014, 07:42 PM	#8
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Some pictures of my Pechkranze, they are some very interesting objects I am very interested to learn why the fabric is at some places faintly red??