Three Paiwan kives for comment

VANDOO · 8th March 2014, 07:05 PM

THREE VERY NICE EXAMPLES AND ALL DIFFERENT A BONUS

THE FIRST ONE HAS AN UNUSUAL BLADE TIP IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF A JAPANESE BLADE THE OTHER TWO BLADES ARE OF A MORE NORMAL FORM. VERY GOOD AGE AND WORKMANSHIP ON ALL THREE. THE INLAY OF SHELL IS INTERESTING AND SHOULD HELP THOSE WITH EXPERTESE IN THIS FIELD IDENTIFY THEM FOR YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE SHELL INLAYED AREAS AND THE CREATURE NEAR THE TIP OF THE SHORTER KNIFE IN YOUR PICTURE OF TWO TOGETHER. CONGRADULATIONS VERY NICE FINDS.

Sajen · 8th March 2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

THREE VERY NICE EXAMPLES AND ALL DIFFERENT A BONUS

THE FIRST ONE HAS AN UNUSUAL BLADE TIP IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF A JAPANESE BLADE THE OTHER TWO BLADES ARE OF A MORE NORMAL FORM. VERY GOOD AGE AND WORKMANSHIP ON ALL THREE. THE INLAY OF SHELL IS INTERESTING AND SHOULD HELP THOSE WITH EXPERTESE IN THIS FIELD IDENTIFY THEM FOR YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE SHELL INLAYED AREAS AND THE CREATURE NEAR THE TIP OF THE SHORTER KNIFE IN YOUR PICTURE OF TWO TOGETHER. CONGRADULATIONS VERY NICE FINDS.

Thank you Barry!

For the different blade tip look to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=taiwan
By all old threads I haven't seen scabbards with shell inlays, maybe a sign for taken heads?

But this is only a guess. The creature on the red scabbard seems to be the same as on the other one, a snake or naga, see this thread, post #4: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=paiwan
Soon as I have them in hand I will post the requested close ups.
Here some other informative threads:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=paiwan
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=taiwan
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=rukai

Regards,
Detlef

Norman McCormick · 8th March 2014, 11:23 PM

Hi,
Found this photograph which I thought may be of interest.
Regards,
Norman.

Sajen · 9th March 2014, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
Found this photograph which I thought may be of interest.
Regards,
Norman.

Hi Norman,

would be interesting to which ethnic group this man belong.

Do you have a information?

Regards,
Detlef

VANDOO · 9th March 2014, 06:24 AM

THIS SNAKE LIKE CARVING IS OFTEN ENCOUNTERED ON THEIR SWORDS BUT IF THERE IS A LEGEND, NAME OR STORY I AM NOT AWARE OF IT. BEING A ZOOLOGY MAJOR IT HAS ALWAYS REMINDED ME OF A PLANARIAN FLATWORM. WE HAD SOME FUN WITH THEM SPLIT ONES HEAD AND IT GROWS TWO HEADS VERY IMPRESSIVE REGENERATIVE POWERS. A PICTURE OF THE CRITTER WITH 2 EYESPOTS.

Sajen · 9th March 2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

THIS SNAKE LIKE CARVING IS OFTEN ENCOUNTERED ON THEIR SWORDS BUT IF THERE IS A LEGEND, NAME OR STORY I AM NOT AWARE OF IT. BEING A ZOOLOGY MAJOR IT HAS ALWAYS REMINDED ME OF A PLANARIAN FLATWORM. WE HAD SOME FUN WITH THEM SPLIT ONES HEAD AND IT GROWS TWO HEADS VERY IMPRESSIVE REGENERATIVE POWERS. A PICTURE OF THE CRITTER WITH 2 EYESPOTS.

Barry, I only can write what I have read in the above given threads from Yuanzhumin and others. This is the "hundred pace snake" ( Deinagkistrodon acutus), "named like this because once you have been beaten you only can walk one hundred paces before fallen down, dead" *Yuanzhumin*. This is the anchestor of their nobility. Knives which have the snake on the scabbard are only allowed to be worn by nobility men.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 9th March 2014, 01:16 PM

So when I have read correct what Yuanzhumin and Varta have written in older threads is the first sword a war or fighting kife and the two others are hunting knives from nobility men. Still hope that the both still active here in the forum and jump in and comment.

8th March 2014, 11:23 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,650	Hi, Found this photograph which I thought may be of interest. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

9th March 2014, 06:24 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS SNAKE LIKE CARVING IS OFTEN ENCOUNTERED ON THEIR SWORDS BUT IF THERE IS A LEGEND, NAME OR STORY I AM NOT AWARE OF IT. BEING A ZOOLOGY MAJOR IT HAS ALWAYS REMINDED ME OF A PLANARIAN FLATWORM. WE HAD SOME FUN WITH THEM SPLIT ONES HEAD AND IT GROWS TWO HEADS VERY IMPRESSIVE REGENERATIVE POWERS. A PICTURE OF THE CRITTER WITH 2 EYESPOTS. Attached Images

8th March 2014, 07:05 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THREE VERY NICE EXAMPLES AND ALL DIFFERENT A BONUS THE FIRST ONE HAS AN UNUSUAL BLADE TIP IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF A JAPANESE BLADE THE OTHER TWO BLADES ARE OF A MORE NORMAL FORM. VERY GOOD AGE AND WORKMANSHIP ON ALL THREE. THE INLAY OF SHELL IS INTERESTING AND SHOULD HELP THOSE WITH EXPERTESE IN THIS FIELD IDENTIFY THEM FOR YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CLOSEUPS OF THE SHELL INLAYED AREAS AND THE CREATURE NEAR THE TIP OF THE SHORTER KNIFE IN YOUR PICTURE OF TWO TOGETHER. CONGRADULATIONS VERY NICE FINDS.

9th March 2014, 01:16 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,496	So when I have read correct what Yuanzhumin and Varta have written in older threads is the first sword a war or fighting kife and the two others are hunting knives from nobility men. Still hope that the both still active here in the forum and jump in and comment.