Unknown Philippine weapon, cane cutter ??

VANDOO · 26th February 2014, 04:11 PM

THE FACE CARVED ON THE SCABBARD IS A SINGA AND IS IN USE IN THE BATAK CULTURE. SEARCH FOR SINGA FOR MORE INFO. THE COLOR OF THE BONE FERRULE IS CONSISTANT WITH STAINING AND SMOKEING WHICH IS A COMMON PRACTICE ON IVORY AND BONE IN QUITE A FEW COUNTRIES. I SEEM TO REMEMBER A OLD POST OR ARTICLE WITH PICTURES ON HOW IT IS DONE. I LIKE THE ITEM AND IF THE PRICE WAS RIGHT WOULD LIKELY HAVE PICKED ONE UP MYSELF BECAUSE OF THE WORKMANSHIP AND THE UNUSUAL BLADE FORM USED.

drac2k · 26th February 2014, 08:11 PM

Thanks Vandoo. The price was pretty reasonable at auction, but after the commission and the freight, the item was the cheapest part of the transaction.

drac2k · 27th February 2014, 11:48 AM

After some good research suggestions from the forum, I did some preliminary investigations on Indonesian weapons and I was surprised to see the range of sickle type swords used. My item looked somewhat like (not exactly), what was listed as a Pencak Silat fight sickle, a celurit, a carok, or a kujang.
Am I on the right path or lost in the trail of wishful thinking ?

VANDOO · 4th March 2014, 02:25 AM

YOUR ITEM PROBABLY DOES FALL INTO ONE OF THOSE CURVED BLADED FORMS YOU MENTION. BUT IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO PLACE IT IN ONE CATEGORY AND I AM SURE THERE WOULD BE DIFERENCES OF OPINION.
I WOULD ELIMINATE THE KUDI FORM FROM THE LIST OF POSIBILITYS BUT THE RANGE OF VARIATION I ALLOW FOR THAT FORM MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS OTHERS.
THE MOST LIKELY ORIGION FOR THE ITEM WOULD BE INDONESIA OR MALAYSIA IN THAT ORDER. HIGH SHIPPING COSTS HAS LIMITED THE NUMBER OF COUNTRIES I CAN BUY FROM AS WELL. IT IS WORKING IN FAVOR OF COLLECTORS IN AUSTRALIA WHEN THE DEALERS ARE IN AUSTRALIA FOR NOW AS THE FAIR BID PRICE IS OFTEN DOUBBLED WITH FORIGN S&H. THATS GOOD FOR THEM AS IT KEEPS ALL THEIR GOODIES FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY.

26th February 2014, 04:11 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE FACE CARVED ON THE SCABBARD IS A SINGA AND IS IN USE IN THE BATAK CULTURE. SEARCH FOR SINGA FOR MORE INFO. THE COLOR OF THE BONE FERRULE IS CONSISTANT WITH STAINING AND SMOKEING WHICH IS A COMMON PRACTICE ON IVORY AND BONE IN QUITE A FEW COUNTRIES. I SEEM TO REMEMBER A OLD POST OR ARTICLE WITH PICTURES ON HOW IT IS DONE. I LIKE THE ITEM AND IF THE PRICE WAS RIGHT WOULD LIKELY HAVE PICKED ONE UP MYSELF BECAUSE OF THE WORKMANSHIP AND THE UNUSUAL BLADE FORM USED.

26th February 2014, 08:11 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,268	Thanks Vandoo. The price was pretty reasonable at auction, but after the commission and the freight, the item was the cheapest part of the transaction.

27th February 2014, 11:48 AM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,268	After some good research suggestions from the forum, I did some preliminary investigations on Indonesian weapons and I was surprised to see the range of sickle type swords used. My item looked somewhat like (not exactly), what was listed as a Pencak Silat fight sickle, a celurit, a carok, or a kujang. Am I on the right path or lost in the trail of wishful thinking ?

4th March 2014, 02:25 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YOUR ITEM PROBABLY DOES FALL INTO ONE OF THOSE CURVED BLADED FORMS YOU MENTION. BUT IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO PLACE IT IN ONE CATEGORY AND I AM SURE THERE WOULD BE DIFERENCES OF OPINION. I WOULD ELIMINATE THE KUDI FORM FROM THE LIST OF POSIBILITYS BUT THE RANGE OF VARIATION I ALLOW FOR THAT FORM MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS OTHERS. THE MOST LIKELY ORIGION FOR THE ITEM WOULD BE INDONESIA OR MALAYSIA IN THAT ORDER. HIGH SHIPPING COSTS HAS LIMITED THE NUMBER OF COUNTRIES I CAN BUY FROM AS WELL. IT IS WORKING IN FAVOR OF COLLECTORS IN AUSTRALIA WHEN THE DEALERS ARE IN AUSTRALIA FOR NOW AS THE FAIR BID PRICE IS OFTEN DOUBBLED WITH FORIGN S&H. THATS GOOD FOR THEM AS IT KEEPS ALL THEIR GOODIES FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY.