dagger series nr4 THE BALLOCK

VANDOO · 10th February 2014, 06:26 PM

I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED THESE DAGGERS AND FOUND THE NAME AMUSING MANKIND OFTEN SEEMS TO HAVE LIKED THE IDEA OF HIS WEAPONS RESEMBELING HIS PRIDE AND JOY.

I HAD NOT SEEN THE BLADE CONFIGURATION LIKE THE FIRST 3 EXAMPLES THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE THE HEAD OF A PIKE OR SPIKE OFF A WAR HAMMER. THEY APPEAR ROBUST ENOUGH TO PENETRATE LEATHER OR HEAVY CLOTHES PERHAPS EVEN LIGHT ARMOR. I WONDER IF THERE WAS ANY PROBLEM WITH THE BLADE GETTING HUNG UP WHEN USED BECAUSE OF ITS SHAPE. I AM ENJOYING YOUR POSTS AS IT BRINGS ME NEW KNOWLEGE AND IS WELL ILLUSTRATED AND RESEARCHED , WELL DONE.

junker · 11th February 2014, 08:18 PM

Hello,
so I like to share mine as well.
It s one of the shorter ones and has a type of composed grip ending in some brass plates. The quillon / guard is decorated with some carvings and the ballocks with a sun or star shaped.
The item was found in Rotterdam, what the seller told me.

junker · 11th February 2014, 08:25 PM

Hello,
so I like to share mine as well.
It s one of the shorter ones and has a type of composed grip ending in some brass plates. The quillon / guard is decorated with some carvings and the ballocks with a sun or star shaped.
The item was found in Rotterdam, what the seller told me.

junker · 11th February 2014, 08:27 PM

sorry for the doubler

cornelistromp · 12th February 2014, 04:35 PM

Hi Junker,

thanks for the nice example, the grip seems to be a (later) restauration but all the brass parts are Original around 1450.
here's a picture of a similar excavated grip with balls with the sun, as seen on the painting the arrrest of christ.

best,
jasper

junker · 13th February 2014, 10:34 AM

Hi,

the grip shoud be the original but it is to much restored.
Thanks for your picture with the grip and sun.
Is it also from the netherlands ?

Dirk

cornelistromp · 13th February 2014, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junker

Hi,

the grip shoud be the original but it is to much restored.
Thanks for your picture with the grip and sun.
Is it also from the netherlands ?

Dirk

Hi Dirk,

yes found in the Netherlands, exact location is unknown to me.

The reason I think the grip is redone is because all ballock daggers have a grip made outof one piece of wood.
when you see the grain at your dagger, the protrusions are glued to the handle.
further, the protrusions are not ball-shaped and the recess in the brass parry rod does not fit exactly appropriate the wooden grip between the balls. at your dagger the recess is smaller.
please compare other Ballock daggers for this.

The wood used here is also unusual for a ballock.

best,
Jasper

Harry Marinakis · 20th September 2015, 12:51 PM

Please, more information about the blade shape shown with the first 3 daggers shown. Thank you.

RobertGuy · 26th September 2015, 08:17 AM

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Michael

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement. Are you claiming ownership of all photos posted here whoever posts them unless they specifically claim copyright?

11th February 2014, 08:18 PM	#2
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	mine Hello, so I like to share mine as well. It s one of the shorter ones and has a type of composed grip ending in some brass plates. The quillon / guard is decorated with some carvings and the ballocks with a sun or star shaped. The item was found in Rotterdam, what the seller told me. Attached Images

11th February 2014, 08:25 PM	#3
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hello, so I like to share mine as well. It s one of the shorter ones and has a type of composed grip ending in some brass plates. The quillon / guard is decorated with some carvings and the ballocks with a sun or star shaped. The item was found in Rotterdam, what the seller told me. Attached Images

12th February 2014, 04:35 PM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Junker, thanks for the nice example, the grip seems to be a (later) restauration but all the brass parts are Original around 1450. here's a picture of a similar excavated grip with balls with the sun, as seen on the painting the arrrest of christ. best, jasper Attached Images

10th February 2014, 06:26 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED THESE DAGGERS AND FOUND THE NAME AMUSING MANKIND OFTEN SEEMS TO HAVE LIKED THE IDEA OF HIS WEAPONS RESEMBELING HIS PRIDE AND JOY. I HAD NOT SEEN THE BLADE CONFIGURATION LIKE THE FIRST 3 EXAMPLES THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE THE HEAD OF A PIKE OR SPIKE OFF A WAR HAMMER. THEY APPEAR ROBUST ENOUGH TO PENETRATE LEATHER OR HEAVY CLOTHES PERHAPS EVEN LIGHT ARMOR. I WONDER IF THERE WAS ANY PROBLEM WITH THE BLADE GETTING HUNG UP WHEN USED BECAUSE OF ITS SHAPE. I AM ENJOYING YOUR POSTS AS IT BRINGS ME NEW KNOWLEGE AND IS WELL ILLUSTRATED AND RESEARCHED , WELL DONE.

11th February 2014, 08:27 PM	#4
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	sorry for the doubler

13th February 2014, 10:34 AM	#6
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, the grip shoud be the original but it is to much restored. Thanks for your picture with the grip and sun. Is it also from the netherlands ? Dirk

20th September 2015, 12:51 PM	#8
Harry Marinakis Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 7	Please, more information about the blade shape shown with the first 3 daggers shown. Thank you.