S.E.A? sword

CharlesS · 31st January 2014, 04:19 PM

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

DaveS · 31st January 2014, 06:33 PM

I hadn't really noticed until last night that there were laminations near the handle. Usually that's the first thing that I look for but this time I must have overlooked them. There is no indication that the handle was ever shortened......Dave.

Sajen · 31st January 2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Wow Charles, two beautiful examples!

Maurice · 1st February 2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Nice examples Charles!
I think these are the Celebes types.

Kind regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 2nd February 2014, 02:57 PM

Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle.

The first one I have get from Arjan and when I remember correct he have had the opinion that this one is from Ceram as well.

The second one I have bought from a netherland friend and he get it on Ceram from the family of his wife.

The third one I get via ebay from Royston and I don't know something more about this one, maybe Royston can tell more?

The last one I get from Willem and here I also don't know more, maybe Willem?

Regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 2nd February 2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle.

I agree but not fully. I think the handles could be from Celebes or the Moluccas, but the more plain ones like Daves and the one I owned, possibly are from the Moluccan.

Also the pade you bought from Willem has a better blade as the others, which also indicates (IMO) that the last one is from Celebes. The other three blades are much more simple forged as the last one you have.

Nice collection of pades by the way!

At the other hand it would be hard to place them to a certain region, as it's the Celebes or Moluccan Alfur's who used them.

Maurice

Sajen · 2nd February 2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

I agree but not fully. I think the handles could be from Celebes or the Moluccas, but the more plain ones like Daves and the one I owned, possibly are from the Moluccan.

Also the pade you bought from Willem has a better blade as the others, which also indicates (IMO) that the last one is from Celebes. The other three blades are much more simple forged as the last one you have.

Nice collection of pades by the way!

At the other hand it would be hard to place them to a certain region, as it's the Celebes or Moluccan Alfur's who used them.

Maurice

Hi Maurice,

yes good possible! And you are correct, the blade from the pade I have from Willem is without doubt the heaviest and the best executed one. (It still need a good cleaning) To bad that we don't know from where this one coming. Willem??

And to bad that so less is known about this type of sword. Maybe worth a deeper research from a person who is used to do something like this!?

Best regards,

Detlef

31st January 2014, 04:19 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing. Attached Images Last edited by CharlesS; 31st January 2014 at 05:01 PM.

2nd February 2014, 02:57 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,285	Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle. The first one I have get from Arjan and when I remember correct he have had the opinion that this one is from Ceram as well. The second one I have bought from a netherland friend and he get it on Ceram from the family of his wife. The third one I get via ebay from Royston and I don't know something more about this one, maybe Royston can tell more? The last one I get from Willem and here I also don't know more, maybe Willem? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

31st January 2014, 06:33 PM	#2
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	I hadn't really noticed until last night that there were laminations near the handle. Usually that's the first thing that I look for but this time I must have overlooked them. There is no indication that the handle was ever shortened......Dave.