S.E.A? sword

VVV · 31st January 2014, 06:52 AM

Yes, it is a pade.
Yours seems to maybe be slightly later (based on the handle and the lack of laminations in the blade) than those variations found in this thread
It is more of a tribal (Alfur) than a geographical sword (resembling how the kampilan is also found in several places but always connected to the same people).

Michael

Sajen · 31st January 2014, 08:48 AM

Yes, it's a pade. Michael, I see lamination near the handle at the last picture of post #1? But Dave will be able to confirm or negate it.
Semarang is a different sword to my knowledge, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=semarang
Dave, you a have a rare sword but a simple execution, a collector friend have a very similar one. This one have lamination for sure.
A pade don't have a scabbard!

I have some more pade in the meanwhile like shown in the thread Michael have posted, when I have time I will show them side by side in this thread.

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 31st January 2014, 09:29 AM

Hello Dave,

I'm with Detlef, your's is definitely laminated - old blade.

Any old patching at the flat pommel side? I'm curious wether this really is a simple hilt style or just got shortened during its service time...

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 31st January 2014, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Any old patching at the flat pommel side? I'm curious wether this really is a simple hilt style or just got shortened during its service time...

Hello Kai,

I had a similar pade like Dave's. Looking at the blade (which is a bit more simple as the pade blades from Celebes) I would guess there is a good possibility that Dave's indeed is a mollucan sword instead of a Celebes sword.
These also had more simple handles IMO, like the one I once owned.
Mine was definately made like that, and not shortened.

Regards,
Maurice

CharlesS · 31st January 2014, 04:19 PM

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

DaveS · 31st January 2014, 06:33 PM

I hadn't really noticed until last night that there were laminations near the handle. Usually that's the first thing that I look for but this time I must have overlooked them. There is no indication that the handle was ever shortened......Dave.

Sajen · 31st January 2014, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Wow Charles, two beautiful examples!

Maurice · 1st February 2014, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Nice examples Charles!
I think these are the Celebes types.

Kind regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 2nd February 2014, 02:57 PM

Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle.

The first one I have get from Arjan and when I remember correct he have had the opinion that this one is from Ceram as well.

The second one I have bought from a netherland friend and he get it on Ceram from the family of his wife.

The third one I get via ebay from Royston and I don't know something more about this one, maybe Royston can tell more?

The last one I get from Willem and here I also don't know more, maybe Willem?

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 31st January 2014, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hello Kai,

I had a similar pade like Dave's. Looking at the blade (which is a bit more simple as the pade blades from Celebes) I would guess there is a good possibility that Dave's indeed is a mollucan sword instead of a Celebes sword.
These also had more simple handles IMO, like the one I once owned.
Mine was definately made like that, and not shortened.

Regards,
Maurice

Hi Maurice,

this is the one which is now in possession of my friend!

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 1st February 2014, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

this is the one which is now in possession of my friend!

Regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Yes I remember. :-)

Kind regards,
Maurice

31st January 2014, 04:19 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing. Attached Images Last edited by CharlesS; 31st January 2014 at 05:01 PM.

2nd February 2014, 02:57 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle. The first one I have get from Arjan and when I remember correct he have had the opinion that this one is from Ceram as well. The second one I have bought from a netherland friend and he get it on Ceram from the family of his wife. The third one I get via ebay from Royston and I don't know something more about this one, maybe Royston can tell more? The last one I get from Willem and here I also don't know more, maybe Willem? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

31st January 2014, 06:52 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Yes, it is a pade. Yours seems to maybe be slightly later (based on the handle and the lack of laminations in the blade) than those variations found in this thread It is more of a tribal (Alfur) than a geographical sword (resembling how the kampilan is also found in several places but always connected to the same people). Michael

31st January 2014, 08:48 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Yes, it's a pade. Michael, I see lamination near the handle at the last picture of post #1? But Dave will be able to confirm or negate it. Semarang is a different sword to my knowledge, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=semarang Dave, you a have a rare sword but a simple execution, a collector friend have a very similar one. This one have lamination for sure. A pade don't have a scabbard! I have some more pade in the meanwhile like shown in the thread Michael have posted, when I have time I will show them side by side in this thread. Regards, Detlef

31st January 2014, 09:29 AM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Dave, I'm with Detlef, your's is definitely laminated - old blade. Any old patching at the flat pommel side? I'm curious wether this really is a simple hilt style or just got shortened during its service time... Regards, Kai

31st January 2014, 06:33 PM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	I hadn't really noticed until last night that there were laminations near the handle. Usually that's the first thing that I look for but this time I must have overlooked them. There is no indication that the handle was ever shortened......Dave.