A Very Early Wheellock Arquebus, ca. 1530, in the Musée de l'Armée, Paris

Matchlock · 1st January 2014, 09:25 AM

Hi Fernando K.,

The very same type of pan covers of the early 1530's ca be found on the Ottheinrich arquebus of 1533, on another in the Royal Armouries Leeds and on a detached lock in the Dresden armory, all ca. 1530-35:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17814

Best,
Michael

Fernando K · 1st January 2014, 10:32 AM

Matchlock Estimate:

I declare, by a principle of intellectual honesty, I'm more confused: the view from inside the key the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) is not appreciated, nor as the crank wheel you can move, or that another system was applied . Also, I think I see the hole holding the wheel, but the trigger system appears to be independent of the plate (plate) of the key (lock) ....

Affectionately. Fernando K

Matchlock · 1st January 2014, 10:54 AM

Oh yeah, Fernando K.,

I can see what you mean; the constructer of this lock mechanism seems to have chosen his very own special way, as he did with the specially mounted French main spring for which he had to hollow out the stock, and the long dog spring on the outside of the forestock.
The trigger itself, though, as always, is suspended in the stock behind the lock.

Aficionado,
Michael

Fernando K · 1st January 2014, 11:27 AM

Matchlock Estimate:

I think I see the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) is opened manually with the lever beneath the bowl (pan), ending in a hook, but I find the spring that opens and the method of attachment. As for the trigger system, anything would be possible .....

Thank you very much. Sincerely, Fernando K

Matchlock · 1st January 2014, 12:41 PM

I cannot make out the pan-cover spring either - the inside view of the lock mechanism does not show it. Maybe it's missing?

Best,
m

Fernando K · 1st January 2014, 01:24 PM

Matchlock Estimate:

Perhaps the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) cover. your cam and spring were attached to the box (stock) as the mainspring. Now that I'm looking more closely, I think the bronze plaque under and behind this key (lock) is the sure shot, which acts through a square button (decorated with lines)

Affectionately. Fernando K.

P. S. Why have you signed your mail as "Fan" (Fan)?. You're not a fan .......

Matchlock · 1st January 2014, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Matchlock Estimate:

Perhaps the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) cover. your cam and spring were attached to the box (stock) as the mainspring. Now that I'm looking more closely, I think the bronze plaque under and behind this key (lock) is the sure shot, which acts through a square button (decorated with lines)

Affectionately. Fernando K.

P. S. Why have you signed your mail as "Fan" (Fan)?. You're not a fan .......

Sorry if my Spanish was that bad. I meant it was the same as affectionately ...

m

fernando · 1st January 2014, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

... P. S. Why have you signed your mail as "Fan" (Fan)?. You're not a fan .......

Ah, ah, Fernando ... the usual confusion with translations

Michael certainly wished to express his afection (fondness), same as you finish your posts with Affectionately and not his aficion (castillan for fanship).
If translation of conversational phrases is hard, translating technical terms is ten times as harder. I am rather surprised that Michael understands your (automatic) translations rather easy

1st January 2014, 09:25 AM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Fernando K., The very same type of pan covers of the early 1530's ca be found on the Ottheinrich arquebus of 1533, on another in the Royal Armouries Leeds and on a detached lock in the Dresden armory, all ca. 1530-35: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17814 Best, Michael

1st January 2014, 10:32 AM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Matchlock Estimate: I declare, by a principle of intellectual honesty, I'm more confused: the view from inside the key the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) is not appreciated, nor as the crank wheel you can move, or that another system was applied . Also, I think I see the hole holding the wheel, but the trigger system appears to be independent of the plate (plate) of the key (lock) .... Affectionately. Fernando K

1st January 2014, 10:54 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Oh yeah, Fernando K., I can see what you mean; the constructer of this lock mechanism seems to have chosen his very own special way, as he did with the specially mounted French main spring for which he had to hollow out the stock, and the long dog spring on the outside of the forestock. The trigger itself, though, as always, is suspended in the stock behind the lock. Aficionado, Michael

1st January 2014, 11:27 AM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Matchlock Estimate: I think I see the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) is opened manually with the lever beneath the bowl (pan), ending in a hook, but I find the spring that opens and the method of attachment. As for the trigger system, anything would be possible ..... Thank you very much. Sincerely, Fernando K

1st January 2014, 12:41 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I cannot make out the pan-cover spring either - the inside view of the lock mechanism does not show it. Maybe it's missing? Best, m

1st January 2014, 01:24 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Matchlock Estimate: Perhaps the cubrecazoleta (pan-cover) cover. your cam and spring were attached to the box (stock) as the mainspring. Now that I'm looking more closely, I think the bronze plaque under and behind this key (lock) is the sure shot, which acts through a square button (decorated with lines) Affectionately. Fernando K. P. S. Why have you signed your mail as "Fan" (Fan)?. You're not a fan .......