A kard

Tim Simmons · 5th November 2005, 10:11 PM

Just another thought has the bottom part of the scabbard lost its enamel. I find it interesting that they do not match, especially as I make this sort of thing myself, do you think there might be something wrong with it. Tim

ariel · 5th November 2005, 11:47 PM

The silverwork, the flower motives and, especially, the use of enamel look Bukharan to me. Very pretty dagger!

Battara · 6th November 2005, 12:29 AM

Gorgeous puppy!

I think that it lost its velvet pile.

Jens Nordlunde · 6th November 2005, 03:05 PM

The velvet on the scabbard is worn, but I believe it to be old. Originally the two mounts must have been en suite, but the lower most likely lost and the silver one put on instead.

Jens Nordlunde · 6th November 2005, 04:03 PM

Sorry, I forgot to mention the the enamelled top mount is also enemelled at the very top as is the loop at the top of the hilt.

Ariel, you may have a point, but what about the enamel colours? Could they make them so bright?
I know, that in spite of what others thought at the time, Hendley for one believed that enamel original came from Turkmenistan. In Egypt enemal from about 1700 BC has been found - so the art of enemalling is very old.

ariel · 6th November 2005, 06:21 PM

Jens,
You may have a good point.
Egerton writes about Indian/Persian enameling as being "champleve: and specifically mentions Sindh as the area producing enameling with a "blue with rich flowers" pattern.
Uzbek/Tajik origin was just a feeling. They made very similar champleve.

Tim Simmons · 6th November 2005, 06:44 PM

This is just a suggestion not a statement but could it be from Kashmir the floral design is very similar to that of 19th century furniture brought to Europe, well Britain certainly in Victorian times. The birds and flowers are also seen on blue Kashmir carpets and prayer rugs. Tim

6th November 2005, 04:03 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Sorry, I forgot to mention the the enamelled top mount is also enemelled at the very top as is the loop at the top of the hilt. Ariel, you may have a point, but what about the enamel colours? Could they make them so bright? I know, that in spite of what others thought at the time, Hendley for one believed that enamel original came from Turkmenistan. In Egypt enemal from about 1700 BC has been found - so the art of enemalling is very old. Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 6th November 2005 at 04:19 PM.

5th November 2005, 10:11 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	Just another thought has the bottom part of the scabbard lost its enamel. I find it interesting that they do not match, especially as I make this sort of thing myself, do you think there might be something wrong with it. Tim

5th November 2005, 11:47 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The silverwork, the flower motives and, especially, the use of enamel look Bukharan to me. Very pretty dagger!

6th November 2005, 12:29 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Gorgeous puppy! I think that it lost its velvet pile.

6th November 2005, 03:05 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	The velvet on the scabbard is worn, but I believe it to be old. Originally the two mounts must have been en suite, but the lower most likely lost and the silver one put on instead.

6th November 2005, 06:21 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Jens, You may have a good point. Egerton writes about Indian/Persian enameling as being "champleve: and specifically mentions Sindh as the area producing enameling with a "blue with rich flowers" pattern. Uzbek/Tajik origin was just a feeling. They made very similar champleve.

6th November 2005, 06:44 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	This is just a suggestion not a statement but could it be from Kashmir the floral design is very similar to that of 19th century furniture brought to Europe, well Britain certainly in Victorian times. The birds and flowers are also seen on blue Kashmir carpets and prayer rugs. Tim