A unique bronze barrel wall gun (doppelter Doppelhaken), Nuremberg, ca. 1515-20

Marcus den toom · 18th December 2013, 08:07 PM

I found a other bronze hackbut like yours. Sold trough Sotheby's but i can't find it anywhere.

Matchlock · 18th December 2013, 08:21 PM

I recall this one; it was mounted on the present 'carriage' in the 19th c., the Nuremberg barrel ca. 1515-20 but heavily overcleaned.

It cannot match my unique piece in any way.

m

Marcus den toom · 19th December 2013, 08:14 PM

Quit right Michael, but still you have to admit that the basic form is the same

Sadly, most museums care more about making there presentations as shiny as can be, instead of teaching the folks the facts. A simple photoshop artist could have made the same shiny barrel on paper

I found another haquebut (?) matchlock gun on the web, no other pictures though.

edit: wait a second, this is yours Michael?

Matchlock · 19th December 2013, 09:17 PM

Yes, Marcus,

I'm extremely proud to say that this indeed is my piece!

I ordered many extra images right before the auction from Tom Del Mar and then bought it, together with the unique combined matchlock and flintlock MONTECUCCOLI musket including its original long folding bayonet from the Stauffenberg collection in Franconia/Bavaria, where it was since it was made in 1666! This makes me only the second owner of the Montecuccoli piece after 350 years - imagine!!! Both pieces are in fine, virtualy 'untouched' and patinated condition. The Montecuccoli musket M 1666 is the one with the pierced butt in the second and third images attached.

The catalog description of the short brass-alloy barrel arquebus with the earliest kind of pre-petronel cherrywood full stock (German krummer Landsknechtkolben) was completely misreading the facts that the barrel is of Maximilian Landsknecht type, most probably cast in Maximilian I's foundry of Mühlau near Innsbruck in about 1495-1500 and struck with a characteristic Late-Gothic founder's mark, The gun obviously was restocked during the South German peasant wars (Bauernkriege) of 1525, and the primitive snap-tinderlock of that Early-Renaissance period was, obsolete by long then, 'modernized' in the High-Baroque period, when everything was badly needed that would still fire: at the end of the Thirty Years War, the 1640's, by re-using an older matchlock mechanism of ca. 1580-1600. I associated an original long tiller trigger to the gun and put it on my wall. Done!

I will post these two guns in separate threads when I can take good images in spring!
Till then, the images attached will have to do.

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 21st December 2013, 08:35 PM

The pictures are good enough to make me go

I found a pile of pictures on the web, apparantly a nice overview site for all sorts of pictures and subjects.

http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=handgonnes
http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=handgonne

Matchlock · 22nd December 2013, 10:41 AM

Many of these photos are by me!

Michael

Marcus den toom · 22nd December 2013, 11:08 AM

I also found this book on handgonnes, but i am not sure about its scientific accuracy

"Medieval Handgonnes: The first black powder infantry weapons, by Sean Mclachlan"

http://www.amazon.com/kindle/dp/B004...ext_eos_detail

19th December 2013, 09:17 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Yes, Marcus, I'm extremely proud to say that this indeed is my piece! I ordered many extra images right before the auction from Tom Del Mar and then bought it, together with the unique combined matchlock and flintlock MONTECUCCOLI musket including its original long folding bayonet from the Stauffenberg collection in Franconia/Bavaria, where it was since it was made in 1666! This makes me only the second owner of the Montecuccoli piece after 350 years - imagine!!! Both pieces are in fine, virtualy 'untouched' and patinated condition. The Montecuccoli musket M 1666 is the one with the pierced butt in the second and third images attached. The catalog description of the short brass-alloy barrel arquebus with the earliest kind of pre-petronel cherrywood full stock (German krummer Landsknechtkolben) was completely misreading the facts that the barrel is of Maximilian Landsknecht type, most probably cast in Maximilian I's foundry of Mühlau near Innsbruck in about 1495-1500 and struck with a characteristic Late-Gothic founder's mark, The gun obviously was restocked during the South German peasant wars (Bauernkriege) of 1525, and the primitive snap-tinderlock of that Early-Renaissance period was, obsolete by long then, 'modernized' in the High-Baroque period, when everything was badly needed that would still fire: at the end of the Thirty Years War, the 1640's, by re-using an older matchlock mechanism of ca. 1580-1600. I associated an original long tiller trigger to the gun and put it on my wall. Done! I will post these two guns in separate threads when I can take good images in spring! Till then, the images attached will have to do. Best, Michael Attached Images

21st December 2013, 08:35 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	The pictures are good enough to make me go I found a pile of pictures on the web, apparantly a nice overview site for all sorts of pictures and subjects. http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=handgonnes http://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=handgonne Last edited by Marcus den toom; 22nd December 2013 at 09:56 AM.

18th December 2013, 08:07 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	I found a other bronze hackbut like yours. Sold trough Sotheby's but i can't find it anywhere.

18th December 2013, 08:21 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I recall this one; it was mounted on the present 'carriage' in the 19th c., the Nuremberg barrel ca. 1515-20 but heavily overcleaned. It cannot match my unique piece in any way. m

19th December 2013, 08:14 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Quit right Michael, but still you have to admit that the basic form is the same Sadly, most museums care more about making there presentations as shiny as can be, instead of teaching the folks the facts. A simple photoshop artist could have made the same shiny barrel on paper I found another haquebut (?) matchlock gun on the web, no other pictures though. edit: wait a second, this is yours Michael?

22nd December 2013, 10:41 AM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Many of these photos are by me! Michael

22nd December 2013, 11:08 AM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	I also found this book on handgonnes, but i am not sure about its scientific accuracy "Medieval Handgonnes: The first black powder infantry weapons, by Sean Mclachlan" http://www.amazon.com/kindle/dp/B004...ext_eos_detail