South East Asian knife? Need help!!

Andrew · 10th December 2013, 04:21 PM

Here is one of mine with a similar blade profile. My example is definitely Thai.

David · 10th December 2013, 07:41 PM

Isn't there more to IDing the origin of this blade than simply the blade profile? There are, after all, only so many logic blade profiles in the world of edged weapons and we see similarities in weapons from all over the world. What about other aspects of the blade design? For instance, i do NOT see the bolster that is obvious on Andrew's Thai example on Detlef's blade. And if we are going to look closely at just the blade profile, Detlef's spine is much straighter across than any of these other examples and it possesses something like "aring" sticking out at the base on the edge side that does not appear in the Thai examples.

Andrew · 10th December 2013, 08:37 PM

For clarification, I offered my example for comparison to Sajen's only. I do not necessarily have an opinion about his sword one way or the other.

David, I do not disagree with your observations. I would add that the file work along the top of the side shown is unlike any Thai or Burmese blade I have handled or seen.

If I had to opine, I would lean towards Sumatra...

David · 10th December 2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

If I had to opine, I would lean towards Sumatra…

That would be my guesstimate as well also considering the sheath form.

Nathaniel · 10th December 2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

That would be my guesstimate as well also considering the sheath form.

The sheath is probably not all that distinct...on the SEA mainland similar could be found...with the simple brass bands and chape...black lacquer covering though I would agree and lean more towards Laos, Cambodia...could be the borders with Thailand.

David · 11th December 2013, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel

The sheath is probably not all that distinct...on the SEA mainland similar could be found...with the simple brass bands and chape...black lacquer covering though I would agree and lean more towards Laos, Cambodia...could be the borders with Thailand.

Do you have some examples to show Nathaniel. I'm having a hard time finding sheaths that look like this from the mainland.

Nathaniel · 12th December 2013, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Do you have some examples to show Nathaniel. I'm having a hard time finding sheaths that look like this from the mainland.

Hello David,

Here are a couple examples that are similar:

Cambodian
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=81846

Lao
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13658

See Mak 2,(Cambodian) for similar brass decor on the handle.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6204

Burmese sheaths with brass scabbard decor:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6349

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6350

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5970

I will have to look more for the others I had in mind. I still have yet to comment as well about the blade.

Sajen · 11th December 2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by David

That would be my guesstimate as well also considering the sheath form.

Hello David,

have a look again to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16521. By Robert's knife I have thought first Philippines, but I think that the knife Robert have shown coming from Cambodia/Thailand.

Let us wait until I have it in hand and can take some pictures.

Regards,

Detlef

Robert · 12th December 2013, 12:33 AM

My vote on the origin of this would also be Cambodia. Another interesting addition to your collection. I can not wait to see what you find next.

Best,
Robert

Emanuel · 10th December 2013, 08:48 PM

I'm seeing more of a filipino piece with modified handle.

See this bolo for similar blade profile and tenegre or binangon like this one for similar scabbard construction. A lot more Visayan on this forum cover the features of the knife in OP.

Emanuel

10th December 2013, 04:21 PM	#1
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Here is one of mine with a similar blade profile. My example is definitely Thai. Attached Images

10th December 2013, 08:48 PM	#10
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	I'm seeing more of a filipino piece with modified handle. See this bolo for similar blade profile and tenegre or binangon like this one for similar scabbard construction. A lot more Visayan on this forum cover the features of the knife in OP. Emanuel Attached Images

10th December 2013, 07:41 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Isn't there more to IDing the origin of this blade than simply the blade profile? There are, after all, only so many logic blade profiles in the world of edged weapons and we see similarities in weapons from all over the world. What about other aspects of the blade design? For instance, i do NOT see the bolster that is obvious on Andrew's Thai example on Detlef's blade. And if we are going to look closely at just the blade profile, Detlef's spine is much straighter across than any of these other examples and it possesses something like "aring" sticking out at the base on the edge side that does not appear in the Thai examples.

10th December 2013, 08:37 PM	#3
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	For clarification, I offered my example for comparison to Sajen's only. I do not necessarily have an opinion about his sword one way or the other. David, I do not disagree with your observations. I would add that the file work along the top of the side shown is unlike any Thai or Burmese blade I have handled or seen. If I had to opine, I would lean towards Sumatra...

12th December 2013, 12:33 AM	#9
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	My vote on the origin of this would also be Cambodia. Another interesting addition to your collection. I can not wait to see what you find next. Best, Robert