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			Concerning the use of GR as a mark of quality, I have also seen numerous swords marked with the VR under crown, as mentioned here. Those swords were of the period and had block lettering. I guess what I'm hinting at is, if the widespread use of GR represented quality, where does the Victorian pieces fit in to this equasion? Where they also spurious? Or real Brit pieces sold off in private purchase? I think the only way to truly pin this one down is for someone with access to alot of said pieces to display the markings. Schnitzler and Kirshbaum sword markings are different from traditional Brit stamp marks. It would be interesting to compare other GR/VR markings to try and find the real from the copies. The crown might be the clue to solving the mystery.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Hi Mark, 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	Yes, this is a big subject and I'm still puzzling over some of your comments about GR in your previous post - I need to sit down and have a closer look at Gilkerson. Perhaps we should start a new thread for the cyphers as in later years it may be hard to find under 'Machete'! A collection of pictures of royal cyphers would be very useful and as a relatively new collector I certainly have some questions about the crowns. I did not know for example that the ring underneath sometimes indicated a tilted crown - thanks for that. I also do not know how to tell male or female crowns apart but I have heard it mentioned. CC  | 
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			For what it's worth, don't forget George I, II and III were also the Kings of Hanover. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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