16thC war axe with bird's beak

fernando · 24th November 2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Iain

... Thread title says 16th century.

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Oh Iain, i'm getting short sighted

Iain · 24th November 2013, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Oh Iain, i'm getting short sighted

I usually miss things in the title as well, and I never notice if someone puts a title on a post!

cornelistromp · 26th November 2013, 07:24 AM

Hi IAn and Fernando,

I usually miss a lot of things

kind regards,
jasper

Marcus den toom · 26th November 2013, 09:18 AM

Hi Cornelis,

The decoration seems familiar indeed, at first i thought it might have been the same as on my armada chest (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548)
But this is not the case (little play on words here

)
I will search trough some books etc as well, looks very interesting (somehow a bit south german/polish taste to it).

cornelistromp · 27th November 2013, 07:15 AM

Hi marcus,

thanks for the link, I saw similar design on a 16thc barrel at some thread in this forum but unfortunately iam not able to find it anymore.

best,

Matchlock · 27th November 2013, 04:46 PM

Hi Jasper,

It was not without rhyme or reason that I waited to come in on this.

The main question is: is it European, and where exactly? The style if decoration surely is but the whole object leaves a rather lightweight=late impression.
I'm afraid it is East European, Romania/Bulgaria, ca. 1600.

All 1st-half 16th c. specimens I have handled were North Italian to South German - and of considerably greater structure and weight. This makes us ponder whether the whole thing is already rather symbol than weapon.

Best,
m

cornelistromp · 27th November 2013, 06:50 PM

Hi Michael,

Thank you for your answer.

Do you maybe you have a barrel with the same decoration in your collection?
can you then please post a picture of it?

yes Polish around 1600, a so called a czekan nadziak, could also be a possibility. see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16469

Though I do not expect it, because it out of the Emden ruestkammer.
f/m the decoration is typically German, there are clear signs of combat use and the weight is 675gr similar to warhammers of this form, CF europaische Hieb und stiechwaffen p 273 warhammer 307 (690gr)

I do think the weapon is too ugly to be used for processional use.

best,
jasper

26th November 2013, 07:24 AM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi IAn and Fernando, I usually miss a lot of things kind regards, jasper Attached Images

26th November 2013, 09:18 AM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Hi Cornelis, The decoration seems familiar indeed, at first i thought it might have been the same as on my armada chest (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548) But this is not the case (little play on words here ) I will search trough some books etc as well, looks very interesting (somehow a bit south german/polish taste to it).

27th November 2013, 07:15 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi marcus, thanks for the link, I saw similar design on a 16thc barrel at some thread in this forum but unfortunately iam not able to find it anymore. best,

27th November 2013, 04:46 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, It was not without rhyme or reason that I waited to come in on this. The main question is: is it European, and where exactly? The style if decoration surely is but the whole object leaves a rather lightweight=late impression. I'm afraid it is East European, Romania/Bulgaria, ca. 1600. All 1st-half 16th c. specimens I have handled were North Italian to South German - and of considerably greater structure and weight. This makes us ponder whether the whole thing is already rather symbol than weapon. Best, m

27th November 2013, 06:50 PM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, Thank you for your answer. Do you maybe you have a barrel with the same decoration in your collection? can you then please post a picture of it? yes Polish around 1600, a so called a czekan nadziak, could also be a possibility. see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16469 Though I do not expect it, because it out of the Emden ruestkammer. f/m the decoration is typically German, there are clear signs of combat use and the weight is 675gr similar to warhammers of this form, CF europaische Hieb und stiechwaffen p 273 warhammer 307 (690gr) I do think the weapon is too ugly to be used for processional use. best, jasper