British percussion carbine

Cerjak · 16th October 2013, 01:54 PM

Hi Markus

Nice gun! It makes me remember a gun I have: A Pattern 1856 Enfield Cavalry carbine
Of course it is different and later model but it should be an evolution from your
Model

Best regards

Jean-Luc

Cerjak · 16th October 2013, 02:12 PM

mores pics

Marcus den toom · 16th October 2013, 06:40 PM

Thank you all for the interest in this "carbine"

@ Fernando, the swifel does look to be original to the gun, but the breech has been added later. Because there are still marks near the breech, i strongly suspect that the curent lenght does not differ to much form the original lenght :/

The front sight (brass slide in) however looks like it has been added later on

adrian · 17th October 2013, 09:38 AM

The first carbine depicted is some sort of cavalry carbine - how long is its barrel? It may have been messed with. Its conversion is not to a British Govt pattern, & looks European.

The second carbine depicted is unfortunately a total knock off - what some would term a "Kyber Pass" gun.

Marcus den toom · 17th October 2013, 10:39 AM

Adrian, the barrel is 16inch (40,5cm) long. Fernando asked about the swifel at the front, but it does look original... though the front sight does not. The breech area has only been replaced by a percussion section and still has some of its original marks (crossed swords and crown etc).

So if the barrel is shortened, it mus have been at the front. The barrel itself has been cleaned in a most disturbing way (the grooves of the file are still vissible)

thinreadline · 17th October 2013, 04:29 PM

It looks to me like a flintlock musket which in the mid 19th C has been converted to a percussion carbine in the style of the 1844 Yeomanry Carbine. Chisnall illustrates a similar example in his book British Non Ordnance Military Carbines 1750 - 1900 .
What calibre is yours ?

Marcus den toom · 17th October 2013, 05:15 PM

The barrel is 16mm or 0.62 inch

16th October 2013, 01:54 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Markus Nice gun! It makes me remember a gun I have: A Pattern 1856 Enfield Cavalry carbine Of course it is different and later model but it should be an evolution from your Model Best regards Jean-Luc Attached Images

16th October 2013, 02:12 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	more pics mores pics Attached Images

17th October 2013, 04:29 PM	#6
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	It looks to me like a flintlock musket which in the mid 19th C has been converted to a percussion carbine in the style of the 1844 Yeomanry Carbine. Chisnall illustrates a similar example in his book British Non Ordnance Military Carbines 1750 - 1900 . What calibre is yours ? Attached Images

16th October 2013, 06:40 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Thank you all for the interest in this "carbine" @ Fernando, the swifel does look to be original to the gun, but the breech has been added later. Because there are still marks near the breech, i strongly suspect that the curent lenght does not differ to much form the original lenght :/ The front sight (brass slide in) however looks like it has been added later on

17th October 2013, 09:38 AM	#4
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 133	The first carbine depicted is some sort of cavalry carbine - how long is its barrel? It may have been messed with. Its conversion is not to a British Govt pattern, & looks European. The second carbine depicted is unfortunately a total knock off - what some would term a "Kyber Pass" gun.

17th October 2013, 10:39 AM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Adrian, the barrel is 16inch (40,5cm) long. Fernando asked about the swifel at the front, but it does look original... though the front sight does not. The breech area has only been replaced by a percussion section and still has some of its original marks (crossed swords and crown etc). So if the barrel is shortened, it mus have been at the front. The barrel itself has been cleaned in a most disturbing way (the grooves of the file are still vissible)

17th October 2013, 05:15 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	The barrel is 16mm or 0.62 inch