MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS 4: SAMOA

VANDOO · 14th October 2013, 05:30 AM

THE FIRST 6 PICTURES ARE THE LAST OF THE UNILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS.
#3 & #4 THREE EXAMPLES OF NIFO OTI THE SMALLEST ONE FROM 1920 OR BEFORE 36 IN.,32 IN. ,& 22IN. LONG.
PICTURES #1 & #2 OF WOODEN FORMS OF THE KNIFE 25 INCHES & 17 IN. LONG,
PICTURE #5 OF A RECENT EARED AND TOOTHED FORM.
PICTURE #6 A OLD STEEL WORK KNIFE MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A WEAPON 35.5 INCHES LONG.

THE NEXT FORM IS BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS (TEETH ON BOTH SIDES) CALLED ( FA'ALAUFA'I ) SEE PICTURES 7 THRU 12
ONE FORM IS REFERED TO AS 8 SPIKED CLUBS THEY HAVE 4 TEETH ON EACH SIDE TOTALING 8. THE TOOTH COUNT SEEMS TO BE UNIMPORTANT AFTER 8 FOR SOME REASON AS THERE ARE NO 10 OR 12 SPIKED CLUBS.

. ONE PICTURE OF 3 CLUBS WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS A TOOTHED PADDLE FORM LONG ONES 38 IN.AND SHORT ONE 21.5 IN.
THE OTHER PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH A MORE ROUNDED END FAVORS THE BANNA LEAF FORM AND HAS THREE SETS OF 8 TEETH EACH.

VANDOO · 14th October 2013, 07:57 PM

SEVERAL MORE VARIATIONS OF BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS. SOME APPEAR TO HAVE A TOOTHED STRIKING AREA WHILE OTHERS SEEM TO HAVE THE TEETH NEAR THE GRIP PERHAPS TO KEEP THE ENEMY FROM GRABBING THE CLUB THERE. THE SHORTER ONES USUALLY HAVE THE TEETH NEAR THE GRIP AND LIKELY FUNCTIONED MORE FOR STABBING AND THRUSTING THAN FOR SKULL OR BONE BREAKING.
TWO PICTURES OF A RECENT CLUB IN BANNA LEAF FORM SHOWING MODERN STYLE DECORATION 37 IN. LONG, TALAVALU IS THE NAME IN THE DESCRIPTION.
TWO PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH SPIKES ON 4 SIDES NEAR THE GRIP.
THREE PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH A SHARP THRUSTING END AND TOOTHED GRIP 33.5 X 4 IN. WIDE LATE 1800'S.
#12 A PICTURE OF 4 OLD CLUBS CIRC 1817
#11. TRADITIONAL OLD TALAVALU FORM

VANDOO · 15th October 2013, 12:31 AM

MORE VARIATIONS OF SAMOAN TOOTHED CLUBS.
PICTURES # 1, 2 & 3 TALAVALU FORM,
#4 PLATE WITH 4 CLUBS ONE SHOWING THE SIMPLE BLANK FORM BEFORE TEETH ARE ADDED.
#5 PLATE OF THE SAMOAN STATE CLUBS
#6 A SPIKED FORM 3 VIEWS
#7 THRU 12 VARIOUS FORMS OF TOOTHED CLUBS.

VANDOO · 17th October 2013, 01:53 AM

EAR SHAPED CLUBS FA' ALAUTALINGA, OR LAUTALINGA THE SIZE RANGE FOR THE SHORT FORM IS APPROXIMATELY 18 IN. TO 26.5 IN. LONG.
PICTURES#1 & 2 PLATES FROM A 1917 BOOK
#3. 38 X 18 CM.
#4.& 5. PAGO PAGO 1925, 24INCHES LONG
#6. RECENT EARED CLUB
#7.& 8. ANOTHER RECENT EXAMPLE, 18 IN. LONG
#9. 20 IN. LONG EXAMPLE
#10. ANOTHER RECENT FORM OF EARED CLUB.
#11. A OLD PICTURE FROM A BOOK 1917
#12. A OLD EXAMPLE.

Billman · 18th October 2013, 10:05 PM

Wonderful images, thanks very much...

Ref billhooks on ships - it was quite probable a) billhooks are an ideal tool for cutting firewood or splitting kindling for the galley stove b) many ships carried soldiers/marines and a billhook was often carried as an infantry/pioneer tool c) a billhook was often included in an emigrant's tool kit, so may have been carried by early settlers travelling on privately owned ships...

VANDOO · 20th October 2013, 05:41 AM

A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF THE EAR SHAPED CLUBS.
PICTURES #1, 2, & 3. IS 18 X 4.5 INCHES.
# 4. 31 INCH LONG FORM FOUND IN TONGA ,SAMOA AND FIJI
# 5 & 6. SAMOAN DANCE PADDLE NOT A CLUB. 28IN. LONG X 8.5 WIDE X 2.25 THICK
# 7. MODERN 36 INCH LONG
# 8 & 9. 67 X 16 CM. OLDER CLUB
# 10 & 11 TWO RECENT EXAMPLES
#12. THE HEAD OF A OLDER CLUB.

VANDOO · 23rd October 2013, 07:19 PM

THE SAMOANS HAD A CLUB FOR THROWING MUCH LIKE THE ULU CLUBS FROM FIJI. THE SAMOAN NAME WAS OLO OR OLEMO THEY WERE SHORT AND MADE OF HARD HEAVY WOOD AND OFTEN HAD A HOLE THRU THE BUTT FOR A CORD. THESE SAMOAN CLUBS HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH TONGAN CLUBS THAN THE FIJI FORM AND THE GOOD OLD ONES ARE USUALLY NOT DECORATED. I HAVE NOT SEEN MANY EXAMPLES OVER THE YEARS WHICH MAKES ME WONDER IF THEY WERE VERY COMMON IN SAMOA. IF COMMON WHY DO WE SEE SO MANY FROM FIJI AND SO FEW FROM SAMOA AND TONGA?
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS SOME OF THE OTHER FORMS OF SHORT CLUBS MAY HAVE BEEN THROWN AND FILLED THIS NICH. THE SHORT WIDE EARED CLUB PICTURE #10 AND THE SHORT CLUB WITHOUT TEETH PICTURE #11 THAT MAY HAVE LED TO THE NIFOOTI FORM ARE GOOD POSSIBILITYS. JUST CONJECTURE AS I HAVE NO REFRENCES

#1. 2. & 3. A OLD EXAMPLE 15.5 INCHES LONG.
#4. A MODERN FANCY TOURIST MODEL
#5. ANOTHER TOURIST VARIATION BOROWING FROM FIJI DESIGN
#6. MODERN TOURIST VARIATION
#7. A OLDER PERHAPS 1960S EXAMPLE BUT STILL FOR TOURISTS
#8 & 9. MODERN EXAMPLES IN FORM BUT MADE INTO FULL SIZE CLUBS #8 IS 25 IN LONG AND #9 CLOSE TO 30IN.
#10. SHORT FORM OF EARED CLUB
#11. SHORT FORM OF EARED CLUB POSSIBLE PREDECESSOR OF THE NIFO OTI TOOTHED CLUBS.

14th October 2013, 05:30 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE FIRST 6 PICTURES ARE THE LAST OF THE UNILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS. #3 & #4 THREE EXAMPLES OF NIFO OTI THE SMALLEST ONE FROM 1920 OR BEFORE 36 IN.,32 IN. ,& 22IN. LONG. PICTURES #1 & #2 OF WOODEN FORMS OF THE KNIFE 25 INCHES & 17 IN. LONG, PICTURE #5 OF A RECENT EARED AND TOOTHED FORM. PICTURE #6 A OLD STEEL WORK KNIFE MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A WEAPON 35.5 INCHES LONG. THE NEXT FORM IS BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS (TEETH ON BOTH SIDES) CALLED ( FA'ALAUFA'I ) SEE PICTURES 7 THRU 12 ONE FORM IS REFERED TO AS 8 SPIKED CLUBS THEY HAVE 4 TEETH ON EACH SIDE TOTALING 8. THE TOOTH COUNT SEEMS TO BE UNIMPORTANT AFTER 8 FOR SOME REASON AS THERE ARE NO 10 OR 12 SPIKED CLUBS. . ONE PICTURE OF 3 CLUBS WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS A TOOTHED PADDLE FORM LONG ONES 38 IN.AND SHORT ONE 21.5 IN. THE OTHER PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH A MORE ROUNDED END FAVORS THE BANNA LEAF FORM AND HAS THREE SETS OF 8 TEETH EACH. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 14th October 2013 at 07:46 PM.

14th October 2013, 07:57 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SEVERAL MORE VARIATIONS OF BILATERAL TOOTHED CLUBS. SOME APPEAR TO HAVE A TOOTHED STRIKING AREA WHILE OTHERS SEEM TO HAVE THE TEETH NEAR THE GRIP PERHAPS TO KEEP THE ENEMY FROM GRABBING THE CLUB THERE. THE SHORTER ONES USUALLY HAVE THE TEETH NEAR THE GRIP AND LIKELY FUNCTIONED MORE FOR STABBING AND THRUSTING THAN FOR SKULL OR BONE BREAKING. TWO PICTURES OF A RECENT CLUB IN BANNA LEAF FORM SHOWING MODERN STYLE DECORATION 37 IN. LONG, TALAVALU IS THE NAME IN THE DESCRIPTION. TWO PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH SPIKES ON 4 SIDES NEAR THE GRIP. THREE PICTURES OF A CLUB WITH A SHARP THRUSTING END AND TOOTHED GRIP 33.5 X 4 IN. WIDE LATE 1800'S. #12 A PICTURE OF 4 OLD CLUBS CIRC 1817 #11. TRADITIONAL OLD TALAVALU FORM Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 14th October 2013 at 11:18 PM.

15th October 2013, 12:31 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MORE VARIATIONS OF SAMOAN TOOTHED CLUBS. PICTURES # 1, 2 & 3 TALAVALU FORM, #4 PLATE WITH 4 CLUBS ONE SHOWING THE SIMPLE BLANK FORM BEFORE TEETH ARE ADDED. #5 PLATE OF THE SAMOAN STATE CLUBS #6 A SPIKED FORM 3 VIEWS #7 THRU 12 VARIOUS FORMS OF TOOTHED CLUBS. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 15th October 2013 at 12:42 AM.

17th October 2013, 01:53 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	EAR SHAPED CLUBS FA' ALAUTALINGA, OR LAUTALINGA THE SIZE RANGE FOR THE SHORT FORM IS APPROXIMATELY 18 IN. TO 26.5 IN. LONG. PICTURES#1 & 2 PLATES FROM A 1917 BOOK #3. 38 X 18 CM. #4.& 5. PAGO PAGO 1925, 24INCHES LONG #6. RECENT EARED CLUB #7.& 8. ANOTHER RECENT EXAMPLE, 18 IN. LONG #9. 20 IN. LONG EXAMPLE #10. ANOTHER RECENT FORM OF EARED CLUB. #11. A OLD PICTURE FROM A BOOK 1917 #12. A OLD EXAMPLE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 17th October 2013 at 02:50 AM.

18th October 2013, 10:05 PM	#5
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Wonderful images, thanks very much... Ref billhooks on ships - it was quite probable a) billhooks are an ideal tool for cutting firewood or splitting kindling for the galley stove b) many ships carried soldiers/marines and a billhook was often carried as an infantry/pioneer tool c) a billhook was often included in an emigrant's tool kit, so may have been carried by early settlers travelling on privately owned ships...

20th October 2013, 05:41 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF THE EAR SHAPED CLUBS. PICTURES #1, 2, & 3. IS 18 X 4.5 INCHES. # 4. 31 INCH LONG FORM FOUND IN TONGA ,SAMOA AND FIJI # 5 & 6. SAMOAN DANCE PADDLE NOT A CLUB. 28IN. LONG X 8.5 WIDE X 2.25 THICK # 7. MODERN 36 INCH LONG # 8 & 9. 67 X 16 CM. OLDER CLUB # 10 & 11 TWO RECENT EXAMPLES #12. THE HEAD OF A OLDER CLUB. Attached Images

23rd October 2013, 07:19 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SAMOANS HAD A CLUB FOR THROWING MUCH LIKE THE ULU CLUBS FROM FIJI. THE SAMOAN NAME WAS OLO OR OLEMO THEY WERE SHORT AND MADE OF HARD HEAVY WOOD AND OFTEN HAD A HOLE THRU THE BUTT FOR A CORD. THESE SAMOAN CLUBS HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH TONGAN CLUBS THAN THE FIJI FORM AND THE GOOD OLD ONES ARE USUALLY NOT DECORATED. I HAVE NOT SEEN MANY EXAMPLES OVER THE YEARS WHICH MAKES ME WONDER IF THEY WERE VERY COMMON IN SAMOA. IF COMMON WHY DO WE SEE SO MANY FROM FIJI AND SO FEW FROM SAMOA AND TONGA? ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS SOME OF THE OTHER FORMS OF SHORT CLUBS MAY HAVE BEEN THROWN AND FILLED THIS NICH. THE SHORT WIDE EARED CLUB PICTURE #10 AND THE SHORT CLUB WITHOUT TEETH PICTURE #11 THAT MAY HAVE LED TO THE NIFOOTI FORM ARE GOOD POSSIBILITYS. JUST CONJECTURE AS I HAVE NO REFRENCES #1. 2. & 3. A OLD EXAMPLE 15.5 INCHES LONG. #4. A MODERN FANCY TOURIST MODEL #5. ANOTHER TOURIST VARIATION BOROWING FROM FIJI DESIGN #6. MODERN TOURIST VARIATION #7. A OLDER PERHAPS 1960S EXAMPLE BUT STILL FOR TOURISTS #8 & 9. MODERN EXAMPLES IN FORM BUT MADE INTO FULL SIZE CLUBS #8 IS 25 IN LONG AND #9 CLOSE TO 30IN. #10. SHORT FORM OF EARED CLUB #11. SHORT FORM OF EARED CLUB POSSIBLE PREDECESSOR OF THE NIFO OTI TOOTHED CLUBS. Attached Images