floating melati?

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Lucky four leaf clovers in Jawa?

I really do think that this idea is stretching the Irish Connection just a wee bit too much.

Yes, that was precisely my thought as well. While the concept of the lucky four-leaf clover does extend itself beyond the Emerald Isle i do not believe it is part of the cultures of the Indonesian archipelago.

[A. G. Maisey]

What is this "Pamor Atlas" anyway?

I've seen it mentioned a few times, but I cannot find any explanations online, I've never seen it, I don't know anything about it.

How credible is it?

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

What is this "Pamor Atlas" anyway?

I've seen it mentioned a few times, but I cannot find any explanations online, I've never seen it, I don't know anything about it.

How credible is it?

Pamor Atlas is a self publishing book (2006) by Ing E.A.N. Van Veenedaal. Is written all in german language so impossible for me to understand. Is a list of "not clear" pics of pamors. I have this book only because i like to have all (nice or bad) books, articles, etc about keris

[Bjorn]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Pamor Atlas is a self publishing book (2006) by Ing E.A.N. Van Veenedaal. Is written all in german language so impossible for me to understand. Is a list of "not clear" pics of pamors. I have this book only because i like to have all (nice or bad) books, articles, etc about keris

Please don't go holiday in the Netherlands and tell people there they speak German They might give you the evil eye!

Joking aside, German and Dutch are often mixed up but the Pamoratlas is written in Dutch.

I have a copied version of the book myself and the quality of the pictures is not that good. I always suspected this was due to the quality of the copies but it seems the source material's quality leaves something to be desired.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by yuuzan

Please don't go holiday in the Netherlands and tell people there they speak German They might give you the evil eye!

Joking aside, German and Dutch are often mixed up but the Pamoratlas is written in Dutch.

I have a copied version of the book myself and the quality of the pictures is not that good. I always suspected this was due to the quality of the copies but it seems the source material's quality leaves something to be desired.

Sorry you are right is not German ...but if they give me the devil eye i surely will be very happy

[max]

I know that the pamor is also familiar by the name of Gebagan Agal. Djajasukatgo III (1861-1893) made such pamor for PB IX.

[Sajen]

There is another plublication from van Veenendaal I am aware of, "Krisgrepen en Scheden uit Bali en Lombok", in my opinion a very good booklet. I have had email contact once with him and it seems that he have a very good knowledge about the balinese culture. So far I know he was married with a woman from Indonesia which is sadly gone. And it is true that he is stays every year for month in Indonesia.

[Richard Furrer]

I would like copies of both his booklets of possible...whatever the language.

I can not name that Pamor, but I can tell you how it is forged.

Ric

[Bjorn]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

What is this "Pamor Atlas" anyway?

I've seen it mentioned a few times, but I cannot find any explanations online, I've never seen it, I don't know anything about it.

How credible is it?

The Pamoratlas was published in 2006 by E.A.N. van Veenendaal and updated in 2011. It is a Dutch publication and has never been translated (to my knowledge). Some information from the book's introduction:

- Author became hooked on keris when his dad brought him one in 1951.
- Became a collector and was especially fascinated by pamor patterns.
- Spent 4 to 5 months in Southeast Asia every year for the 15 years prior to 2006.
- Visited museums, collectors, remaining empu, and other people with knowledge on the subject.
- Extends his thanks to Krt. Sukoyo Dipuro (Surabaya) and Bambang Harsrinuksmo (Jakarta) for their contributions.

The book classifies pamor patterns by category, e.g. leaf shapes, angular shapes, spherical, etc. Each entry contains a small amount of information on the pamor's meaning and attributes, whether it is mlumah, rekan and/or tiban and a small comparison to similar pamor patterns. These are accompanied by schematic drawings and/or photos.

As for its credibility, I hesitate to give a strong opinion on that as I feel my own knowledge on the subject is far from adequate. Personally, I find it useful to at least look up a name for a pattern I am unfamiliar with. As far as I can tell, the book does correctly classify patterns such as uler lulut, lar gansir, udan mas, etc. In other words, to my knowledge, the book generally ascribes the generally accepted name to the corresponding pamor pattern. It also includes local variations (Madurese, Balinese, East Javanese, etc. where known). As to the esoteric meanings of the patterns, I dare not venture to say how accurate the provided information is.

As for pamor semanggi: The book does not make any sort of distinction between new and old pamor patterns.
Considering its a very young pattern, could it be that it acquired a name in Bahasa Indonesia in order to appeal to more potential buyers?

Whatever the case may be, I do find it an attractive pattern. It's good to see new patterns can still be made in the modern era and that the keris is alive and well in today's Indonesia.