MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS 1: MARQUESAS

VANDOO · 4th October 2013, 07:49 PM

THE WHALE BOOM STARTED AROUND SAMOA IN 1820 TO 1860. THE WHALEING FLEETS WERE THE BIGGEST FROM 1845 TO 1855 BUT THE HIGHT OF THE BOOM WAS 1832 TO 1839.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE TUFTS OF HAIR ON THE GRIP OF SOME CLUBS WAS FROM ANCESTORS AND THERE FOR SPIRITUAL HELP AND PROTECTION IN BATTLE. ANCESTORS WERE VERY IMPORTANT AND THE AMOUNT OF MANA A OLD WARRIOR OR CHIEF WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BUT I FOUND NO CONFIRMATION OF HAIR OR OTHER THINGS BEING USED ON WEAPONS.
I DID FIND IN PORTERS WRITINGS THIS ( WHEN A CHIEF WENT TO VISIT ANOTHER TRIBE THE CANOE WAS PROFUSELY DECORATED. ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGEOUS DECORATIONS WAS LOCKS OF HUMAN HAIR INTERMIXED WITH BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR. BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR ARE ORNAMENTS HELD IN THE GREATEST ESTIMATION AMONG THEM.) SO PERHAPS THE GREY HAIR ON THE GRIP OF THE LAST EXAMPLE IS PARTIALY EXPLAINED. NOT BY THE HAIR OF MY CHINNY CHIN CHIN

VANDOO · 14th December 2013, 04:55 AM

PICTURE #1. OLD CLUB 58 INCHES LONG
#2. 1880 PICTURE
#3. 1875 PICTURE

VANDOO · 8th January 2014, 07:02 AM

LINKS TO OTHER FORUM POSTS ON THE MARQUESAS.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas

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VANDOO · 11th February 2014, 06:01 AM

HERE IS ANOTHER MARQUESAN CLUB THAT RECENTLY SOLD. IT IS 121.61CM LONG AND WAS COLLECTED IN THE MARQUESAS CIRC. 1914 TO 1916. IT IS THE DARKER COLORED CLUB WITH ONE PICTURE. THE OTHER IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF FORM.
THERE IS A PAPER BY CAROL IVORY THAT APPEARED IN 1995 IN THE JOURNAL OF PACIFIC ARTS ASSOCIATION NO. 11 & 12. I DON'T HAVE A COPY AND HAVE NOT READ IT SO CAN'T COMMENT FURTHER.
THE SKETCH IS OF MARQUESAN ISLANDERS PUBLISHED IN 1837

VANDOO · 9th August 2014, 04:47 AM

TWO MORE ITEMS FROM THE MARQUESAS ONE PICTURE OF ONE OF THE OLD LONGER CLUBS. THE THIRD HEAD LOWER AND TO THE CENTER HAS A SORT OF STICK MAN DESIGN WITH ARMS AND LEGS THESE CLUBS USUALLY DON'T SHOW SUCH A COMPLETE FIGURE.
THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS ONE OF THE SMALLER MORE ARTISTIC EXAMPLES BUT DOES SHOW SOME AGE AND WEAR THERE ARE SEVERAL PICTURES SHOWING DETAIL. THE SMALLER CLUB IS 36 INCHES LONG X 7IN. WIDE.

VANDOO · 17th June 2015, 06:46 AM

THE SHORT VERSIONS OF THE U'U CLUBS ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BECAME THE NORM AT THE END OF THE 19TH. CENTURY. THEY WERE THOUGHT TO HAVE FIRST BEEN CARVED WHEN THE SUPPLY OF THE LONG TRADITIONAL CLUBS RAN OUT. KARL VON DEN STEINEN WROTE IN 1897 THAT NOT A SINGLE OLD EXAMPLE OF THE LONG STYLE OF CLUB WAS ANYMORE IN THE ISLANDS.
#1 THRU #7 A NICELY CARVED EXAMPLE OF MARQUESAN CLUB 45 CM. LONG.
#8. OLDMAN CATALOG MARQUESAN U'U CLUB BUTTS WITH WRAPPED GRIPS.
#9. OLDMAN CATALOG MARQUESAN STAFFS 85.5 TO 57.INCHES LONG, 1 TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER, AND A SLING.
#10. DRAWING OF U'U CLUB
#11 & # 12 TWO MARQUESAN STILTS BOTH 14 INCHES HIGH.

VANDOO · 4th September 2015, 11:20 PM

#1. THRU #5. A SHORTER U'u CLUB SAID TO BE CIRCA 1940'S, 31 INCHES LONG #6. U'u DESIGN MAT.
#7. THRU #12. 37.5 INCH, U'u SAID TO BE CIRCA 1930 ,HEAVY WOOD WITH PATINA CORRECT FOR THE TYPE OF WOOD. OLD SPLIT TO HEAD ON ONE SIDE.

VANDOO · 5th September 2015, 01:03 AM

#1. 19TH CENTURY MARQUESAS U'u 27.5 INCHES LONG
#2. & #3. U'u 41.5 INCHES LONG, 19TH CENTURY
#4. TEMPLE IN THE MARQUESAS WITH TIKI'S
#5. & #6. MARQUESAS STILTS.

4th October 2013, 07:49 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE WHALE BOOM STARTED AROUND SAMOA IN 1820 TO 1860. THE WHALEING FLEETS WERE THE BIGGEST FROM 1845 TO 1855 BUT THE HIGHT OF THE BOOM WAS 1832 TO 1839. I WAS WONDERING IF THE TUFTS OF HAIR ON THE GRIP OF SOME CLUBS WAS FROM ANCESTORS AND THERE FOR SPIRITUAL HELP AND PROTECTION IN BATTLE. ANCESTORS WERE VERY IMPORTANT AND THE AMOUNT OF MANA A OLD WARRIOR OR CHIEF WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BUT I FOUND NO CONFIRMATION OF HAIR OR OTHER THINGS BEING USED ON WEAPONS. I DID FIND IN PORTERS WRITINGS THIS ( WHEN A CHIEF WENT TO VISIT ANOTHER TRIBE THE CANOE WAS PROFUSELY DECORATED. ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGEOUS DECORATIONS WAS LOCKS OF HUMAN HAIR INTERMIXED WITH BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR. BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR ARE ORNAMENTS HELD IN THE GREATEST ESTIMATION AMONG THEM.) SO PERHAPS THE GREY HAIR ON THE GRIP OF THE LAST EXAMPLE IS PARTIALY EXPLAINED. NOT BY THE HAIR OF MY CHINNY CHIN CHIN

14th December 2013, 04:55 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1. OLD CLUB 58 INCHES LONG #2. 1880 PICTURE #3. 1875 PICTURE Attached Images

8th January 2014, 07:02 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	LINKS TO OTHER FORUM POSTS ON THE MARQUESAS. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas

11th February 2014, 06:01 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS ANOTHER MARQUESAN CLUB THAT RECENTLY SOLD. IT IS 121.61CM LONG AND WAS COLLECTED IN THE MARQUESAS CIRC. 1914 TO 1916. IT IS THE DARKER COLORED CLUB WITH ONE PICTURE. THE OTHER IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF FORM. THERE IS A PAPER BY CAROL IVORY THAT APPEARED IN 1995 IN THE JOURNAL OF PACIFIC ARTS ASSOCIATION NO. 11 & 12. I DON'T HAVE A COPY AND HAVE NOT READ IT SO CAN'T COMMENT FURTHER. THE SKETCH IS OF MARQUESAN ISLANDERS PUBLISHED IN 1837 Attached Images

9th August 2014, 04:47 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO MORE ITEMS FROM THE MARQUESAS ONE PICTURE OF ONE OF THE OLD LONGER CLUBS. THE THIRD HEAD LOWER AND TO THE CENTER HAS A SORT OF STICK MAN DESIGN WITH ARMS AND LEGS THESE CLUBS USUALLY DON'T SHOW SUCH A COMPLETE FIGURE. THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS ONE OF THE SMALLER MORE ARTISTIC EXAMPLES BUT DOES SHOW SOME AGE AND WEAR THERE ARE SEVERAL PICTURES SHOWING DETAIL. THE SMALLER CLUB IS 36 INCHES LONG X 7IN. WIDE. Attached Images

17th June 2015, 06:46 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SHORT VERSIONS OF THE U'U CLUBS ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BECAME THE NORM AT THE END OF THE 19TH. CENTURY. THEY WERE THOUGHT TO HAVE FIRST BEEN CARVED WHEN THE SUPPLY OF THE LONG TRADITIONAL CLUBS RAN OUT. KARL VON DEN STEINEN WROTE IN 1897 THAT NOT A SINGLE OLD EXAMPLE OF THE LONG STYLE OF CLUB WAS ANYMORE IN THE ISLANDS. #1 THRU #7 A NICELY CARVED EXAMPLE OF MARQUESAN CLUB 45 CM. LONG. #8. OLDMAN CATALOG MARQUESAN U'U CLUB BUTTS WITH WRAPPED GRIPS. #9. OLDMAN CATALOG MARQUESAN STAFFS 85.5 TO 57.INCHES LONG, 1 TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER, AND A SLING. #10. DRAWING OF U'U CLUB #11 & # 12 TWO MARQUESAN STILTS BOTH 14 INCHES HIGH. Attached Images

4th September 2015, 11:20 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. THRU #5. A SHORTER U'u CLUB SAID TO BE CIRCA 1940'S, 31 INCHES LONG #6. U'u DESIGN MAT. #7. THRU #12. 37.5 INCH, U'u SAID TO BE CIRCA 1930 ,HEAVY WOOD WITH PATINA CORRECT FOR THE TYPE OF WOOD. OLD SPLIT TO HEAD ON ONE SIDE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 5th September 2015 at 12:24 AM.

5th September 2015, 01:03 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. 19TH CENTURY MARQUESAS U'u 27.5 INCHES LONG #2. & #3. U'u 41.5 INCHES LONG, 19TH CENTURY #4. TEMPLE IN THE MARQUESAS WITH TIKI'S #5. & #6. MARQUESAS STILTS. Attached Images