Great war sword mark for id

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by fernando

Salut Jean-luc,
My knowledge is infinitely less than enough to judge on the autheticity of your sword. My skepticism is only conversational, as based on the statistic evidence that only 'one in a thousand' of such rare swords is the real thing.
I see that you have some supporting background on the provenance of your example. Assuming that it is a genuine sword, with those three marks in such a pristine condition , i can only feel envious for not being myself the one to have the previlege to own it.
As a ransom of my previous impertinence, i will ask someone i know, who has a significant knowledge of these things, whether he has already had contact with this type of marks, to try und unveal the mistery still residing on them.

Fernando

It will be great if you have the luck to ask to a friend of you his opinion about those marks ,I will send you high resolution pictures so it will be better for this study.

Jean-Luc

[sioume]

Salut Jean Luc

I am a french collectionneur ( medieval & Renaissance period) not used yet to this forum...!!
The only thing I can tell you Jean Luc is there are not serious expert in France.
Armouries collecting is not as developp as in german or english countries therefore the market is rather poor.
The only serious way could be to show your sword to Thomas Del Mar (Sotheby's) or contact a reputable expert or dealer ..
I do not know if I can named him on this forum so you can send me a private mail.
La vie est dure pour les collectionneurs français... Hard live for french collectionneurs..!
A bientôt
Alain

[fernando]

I am sorry to tell you Jean-Luc that, the person i was counting on to give us a help in the identification of the marks, is no longer available .

[Cerjak]

Dear Fernando & Lain
Regarding the origin from the sword I had the luck to have been in contact with a precedent owner who had this sword in his collection during 5 years .he bought it from a collection from York in the UK and he was told the sword was bought in Germany in the 80”It is incroyable how this sword is travelling ! In the same time he had send me some information about this arrow find on the forte.
So about the authenticity I can’t have any doubt, he is great collector and also member from the forum and everybody here respect his large knowledge on this kind of sword.

Best regards

Jean-Luc

[Iain]

Hi Jean-Luc,

Yes the arrow is a known symbol, actually the photo you posted highlights one of the things I found puzzling about the marks on your sword - on the photo you posted the style is the usual one for inlays of this type, the main form of the mark is chiseled out and then crossing lines are used to help insure the inlay stays in place. I have examples of this in my own collection. In the photo the inlay is also quite flat with the surface of the steel.

For me it is unusual and interesting your sword.

All the best,
Iain

[Cerjak]

Hi Lain,
Interesting detail about the manufacturing techniques of brass inlays.
I the case of this sword I would like to check if it could be Gold inlays. Because it doesn't look like brass.
In this case do you know if the manufacturing techniques were the same?


Best regards

Jean-Luc

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by Iain

Hi Jean-Luc,

Yes the arrow is a known symbol, actually the photo you posted highlights one of the things I found puzzling about the marks on your sword - on the photo you posted the style is the usual one for inlays of this type, the main form of the mark is chiseled out and then crossing lines are used to help insure the inlay stays in place. I have examples of this in my own collection. In the photo the inlay is also quite flat with the surface of the steel.

For me it is unusual and interesting your sword.

All the best,
Iain

Some pictures from a type XIIIa with two latten-inlaid arrows

[JamesKelly]

Quite a stretch, but something about the arrows in this German mark, p253 Small Arms Makers by Col. Robert E. Gardner seems similar. Original reference Catalog of Sale of Collection of Henry Griffith Keasby, New York, 1925

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by sioume

Salut Jean Luc

I am a french collectionneur ( medieval & Renaissance period) not used yet to this forum...!!
The only thing I can tell you Jean Luc is there are not serious expert in France.
Armouries collecting is not as developp as in german or english countries therefore the market is rather poor.
The only serious way could be to show your sword to Thomas Del Mar (Sotheby's) or contact a reputable expert or dealer ..
I do not know if I can named him on this forum so you can send me a private mail.
La vie est dure pour les collectionneurs français... Hard live for french collectionneurs..!
A bientôt
Alain

Bonjour Alain,

I had try to send you a private message but I wasn't alowed to do it ,I don't know why so may be you could try from your side to send me your email adresse.
Jean-Luc

[sioume]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Bonjour Alain,

I had try to send you a private message but I wasn't alowed to do it ,I don't know why so may be you could try from your side to send me your email adresse.
Jean-Luc

I sent you a private message Jean -Luc , please do not hesitate to contact me.
Best
Alain