MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS 1: MARQUESAS

VANDOO · 28th September 2013, 07:58 PM

A FEW MORE PICTURES FIRST PICTURE CLUB COLLECTED 1820 THE OTHER TWO OF A 55 INCHES LONG CLUB WITH WRAPED GRIP WITH HUMAN HAIR. BOTH IN THE COLLECTIONS OF THE PEABODY MUSEUM.

Battara · 2nd October 2013, 04:10 AM

W W!

Insanely great workmanship!

I have always loved these pieces, but alas can never afford them.

VANDOO · 3rd October 2013, 04:22 AM

THE GOOD OLD PRE CONTACT CLUBS ARE NOT AVAILABLE AND IF THE ODD ONE POPS UP THE PRICES ARE WAY OUT OF THE RANGE OF MOST OF US POOR MORTALS. DUE TO THE EXOTIC BEAUTY OF THE CARVINGS THEY HAVE REMAINED POPULAR AND VARIOUS ARTISTS HAVE CONTINUED TO MAKE THEM TO SUPPLY THE DEMAND. IT HAS BEEN FUN AND AN UNEXPECTED BONUS TO GET TO SEE SOME OF THE MODERN WORK HERE IN THESE POSTS.
THE GOOD MODERN CARVINGS ARE NOT CHEAP BUT CAN BE AFORDABLE TO MOST OF US SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A EXAMPLE OF THE FORMS AND ART AT LEAST. SOME OF THE MODERN EXAMPLES IN THESE POSTS HAVE CROSSED OVER INTO FIJI AND OTHER ISLANDS BESIDES THE MARQUESAS BUT WITH THE OTHER POSTS AVAILABLE EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SORT THEM OUT.

VANDOO · 4th October 2013, 07:49 PM

THE WHALE BOOM STARTED AROUND SAMOA IN 1820 TO 1860. THE WHALEING FLEETS WERE THE BIGGEST FROM 1845 TO 1855 BUT THE HIGHT OF THE BOOM WAS 1832 TO 1839.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE TUFTS OF HAIR ON THE GRIP OF SOME CLUBS WAS FROM ANCESTORS AND THERE FOR SPIRITUAL HELP AND PROTECTION IN BATTLE. ANCESTORS WERE VERY IMPORTANT AND THE AMOUNT OF MANA A OLD WARRIOR OR CHIEF WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BUT I FOUND NO CONFIRMATION OF HAIR OR OTHER THINGS BEING USED ON WEAPONS.
I DID FIND IN PORTERS WRITINGS THIS ( WHEN A CHIEF WENT TO VISIT ANOTHER TRIBE THE CANOE WAS PROFUSELY DECORATED. ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGEOUS DECORATIONS WAS LOCKS OF HUMAN HAIR INTERMIXED WITH BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR. BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR ARE ORNAMENTS HELD IN THE GREATEST ESTIMATION AMONG THEM.) SO PERHAPS THE GREY HAIR ON THE GRIP OF THE LAST EXAMPLE IS PARTIALY EXPLAINED. NOT BY THE HAIR OF MY CHINNY CHIN CHIN

VANDOO · 14th December 2013, 04:55 AM

PICTURE #1. OLD CLUB 58 INCHES LONG
#2. 1880 PICTURE
#3. 1875 PICTURE

VANDOO · 8th January 2014, 07:02 AM

LINKS TO OTHER FORUM POSTS ON THE MARQUESAS.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas

VANDOO · 11th February 2014, 06:01 AM

HERE IS ANOTHER MARQUESAN CLUB THAT RECENTLY SOLD. IT IS 121.61CM LONG AND WAS COLLECTED IN THE MARQUESAS CIRC. 1914 TO 1916. IT IS THE DARKER COLORED CLUB WITH ONE PICTURE. THE OTHER IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF FORM.
THERE IS A PAPER BY CAROL IVORY THAT APPEARED IN 1995 IN THE JOURNAL OF PACIFIC ARTS ASSOCIATION NO. 11 & 12. I DON'T HAVE A COPY AND HAVE NOT READ IT SO CAN'T COMMENT FURTHER.
THE SKETCH IS OF MARQUESAN ISLANDERS PUBLISHED IN 1837

VANDOO · 9th August 2014, 04:47 AM

TWO MORE ITEMS FROM THE MARQUESAS ONE PICTURE OF ONE OF THE OLD LONGER CLUBS. THE THIRD HEAD LOWER AND TO THE CENTER HAS A SORT OF STICK MAN DESIGN WITH ARMS AND LEGS THESE CLUBS USUALLY DON'T SHOW SUCH A COMPLETE FIGURE.
THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS ONE OF THE SMALLER MORE ARTISTIC EXAMPLES BUT DOES SHOW SOME AGE AND WEAR THERE ARE SEVERAL PICTURES SHOWING DETAIL. THE SMALLER CLUB IS 36 INCHES LONG X 7IN. WIDE.

14th December 2013, 04:55 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1. OLD CLUB 58 INCHES LONG #2. 1880 PICTURE #3. 1875 PICTURE Attached Images

11th February 2014, 06:01 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS ANOTHER MARQUESAN CLUB THAT RECENTLY SOLD. IT IS 121.61CM LONG AND WAS COLLECTED IN THE MARQUESAS CIRC. 1914 TO 1916. IT IS THE DARKER COLORED CLUB WITH ONE PICTURE. THE OTHER IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF FORM. THERE IS A PAPER BY CAROL IVORY THAT APPEARED IN 1995 IN THE JOURNAL OF PACIFIC ARTS ASSOCIATION NO. 11 & 12. I DON'T HAVE A COPY AND HAVE NOT READ IT SO CAN'T COMMENT FURTHER. THE SKETCH IS OF MARQUESAN ISLANDERS PUBLISHED IN 1837 Attached Images

9th August 2014, 04:47 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO MORE ITEMS FROM THE MARQUESAS ONE PICTURE OF ONE OF THE OLD LONGER CLUBS. THE THIRD HEAD LOWER AND TO THE CENTER HAS A SORT OF STICK MAN DESIGN WITH ARMS AND LEGS THESE CLUBS USUALLY DON'T SHOW SUCH A COMPLETE FIGURE. THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS ONE OF THE SMALLER MORE ARTISTIC EXAMPLES BUT DOES SHOW SOME AGE AND WEAR THERE ARE SEVERAL PICTURES SHOWING DETAIL. THE SMALLER CLUB IS 36 INCHES LONG X 7IN. WIDE. Attached Images

28th September 2013, 07:58 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE PICTURES FIRST PICTURE CLUB COLLECTED 1820 THE OTHER TWO OF A 55 INCHES LONG CLUB WITH WRAPED GRIP WITH HUMAN HAIR. BOTH IN THE COLLECTIONS OF THE PEABODY MUSEUM. Attached Images

2nd October 2013, 04:10 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	W W! Insanely great workmanship! I have always loved these pieces, but alas can never afford them.

3rd October 2013, 04:22 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE GOOD OLD PRE CONTACT CLUBS ARE NOT AVAILABLE AND IF THE ODD ONE POPS UP THE PRICES ARE WAY OUT OF THE RANGE OF MOST OF US POOR MORTALS. DUE TO THE EXOTIC BEAUTY OF THE CARVINGS THEY HAVE REMAINED POPULAR AND VARIOUS ARTISTS HAVE CONTINUED TO MAKE THEM TO SUPPLY THE DEMAND. IT HAS BEEN FUN AND AN UNEXPECTED BONUS TO GET TO SEE SOME OF THE MODERN WORK HERE IN THESE POSTS. THE GOOD MODERN CARVINGS ARE NOT CHEAP BUT CAN BE AFORDABLE TO MOST OF US SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A EXAMPLE OF THE FORMS AND ART AT LEAST. SOME OF THE MODERN EXAMPLES IN THESE POSTS HAVE CROSSED OVER INTO FIJI AND OTHER ISLANDS BESIDES THE MARQUESAS BUT WITH THE OTHER POSTS AVAILABLE EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SORT THEM OUT.

4th October 2013, 07:49 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE WHALE BOOM STARTED AROUND SAMOA IN 1820 TO 1860. THE WHALEING FLEETS WERE THE BIGGEST FROM 1845 TO 1855 BUT THE HIGHT OF THE BOOM WAS 1832 TO 1839. I WAS WONDERING IF THE TUFTS OF HAIR ON THE GRIP OF SOME CLUBS WAS FROM ANCESTORS AND THERE FOR SPIRITUAL HELP AND PROTECTION IN BATTLE. ANCESTORS WERE VERY IMPORTANT AND THE AMOUNT OF MANA A OLD WARRIOR OR CHIEF WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT BUT I FOUND NO CONFIRMATION OF HAIR OR OTHER THINGS BEING USED ON WEAPONS. I DID FIND IN PORTERS WRITINGS THIS ( WHEN A CHIEF WENT TO VISIT ANOTHER TRIBE THE CANOE WAS PROFUSELY DECORATED. ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGEOUS DECORATIONS WAS LOCKS OF HUMAN HAIR INTERMIXED WITH BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR. BUNCHES OF GREY BEARD HAIR ARE ORNAMENTS HELD IN THE GREATEST ESTIMATION AMONG THEM.) SO PERHAPS THE GREY HAIR ON THE GRIP OF THE LAST EXAMPLE IS PARTIALY EXPLAINED. NOT BY THE HAIR OF MY CHINNY CHIN CHIN

8th January 2014, 07:02 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	LINKS TO OTHER FORUM POSTS ON THE MARQUESAS. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas