Non Moro ,Mandaya? sword

zelbone · 26th October 2005, 05:26 AM

This one is odd...although I really doubt that it is Mandaya. The ferrule looks Visayan, but the pommel is odd. Bangkung, binangon, binakoko? Ginunting would be appropriate as well. Post better pics when you get it.

BTW, Justin, no hard feelings

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Justin · 26th October 2005, 02:22 PM

Thanks ,Zel

Ill try to get better pics up within a day or two.

Bill · 26th October 2005, 03:09 PM

Doubt the sword is from the Philippines. The hilt has a Sumatra influence. The ferrule is simular to some Nias work, but a little crude. The blade form is pretty common. It could really come from many places in Indonesia, but I would look closer to Sumatra, then any where else.

Mark · 26th October 2005, 03:30 PM

I have an almost identical one that I have been trying to identify for years. It was my first ethnographic sword purchase, in fact, and the subject of my first-ever post on the EEWRS.

I don't have pictures, but I'll take some and post.

Justin · 29th October 2005, 05:51 PM

Sorry I havent posted in awhile,Im having car and computer problems so its been a little busy around here.

Bill:

I didnt really think about Indonesia but its an interesting theory,the horse hoof hilt does look very Sumatran to me.

Mark:Id love to see pics of your sword, maybe it will help narrow down the posible origins of these swords.

Justin · 11th December 2005, 11:33 PM

Sorry for the really long delay,here are a few more pics,hopefully there will be something in them to help provide a more definate id.

Ian · 13th December 2005, 12:25 AM

Justin:

I'd say this is somewhat of a hybrid of styles. The blade looks Bagobo, and the wood handle resembles some of the handles on Bagobo/T'boli work knives.

But the scabbard looks Visayan -- sort of -- and the small ferrule could also be a Visayan influence.

Probably central of northern Mindanao would be my guess.

Ian.

11th December 2005, 11:33 PM	#6
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Sorry for the really long delay,here are a few more pics,hopefully there will be something in them to help provide a more definate id. Attached Images

13th December 2005, 12:25 AM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Unusual combination Justin: I'd say this is somewhat of a hybrid of styles. The blade looks Bagobo, and the wood handle resembles some of the handles on Bagobo/T'boli work knives. But the scabbard looks Visayan -- sort of -- and the small ferrule could also be a Visayan influence. Probably central of northern Mindanao would be my guess. Ian.

26th October 2005, 05:26 AM	#1
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	This one is odd...although I really doubt that it is Mandaya. The ferrule looks Visayan, but the pommel is odd. Bangkung, binangon, binakoko? Ginunting would be appropriate as well. Post better pics when you get it. BTW, Justin, no hard feelings !

26th October 2005, 02:22 PM	#2
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Thanks ,Zel Ill try to get better pics up within a day or two.

26th October 2005, 03:09 PM	#3
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Doubt the sword is from the Philippines. The hilt has a Sumatra influence. The ferrule is simular to some Nias work, but a little crude. The blade form is pretty common. It could really come from many places in Indonesia, but I would look closer to Sumatra, then any where else.

26th October 2005, 03:30 PM	#4
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I have an almost identical one that I have been trying to identify for years. It was my first ethnographic sword purchase, in fact, and the subject of my first-ever post on the EEWRS. I don't have pictures, but I'll take some and post.

29th October 2005, 05:51 PM	#5
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Sorry I havent posted in awhile,Im having car and computer problems so its been a little busy around here. Bill: I didnt really think about Indonesia but its an interesting theory,the horse hoof hilt does look very Sumatran to me. Mark:Id love to see pics of your sword, maybe it will help narrow down the posible origins of these swords.