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Marcus den toom · 11th September 2013, 10:49 AM

The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end.
Here are some pictures on his amazing work.

Marcus den toom · 11th September 2013, 10:52 AM

fernando · 11th September 2013, 12:32 PM

Moi

Marcus den toom · 16th September 2013, 07:53 AM

The pistol is complete, maybe today also a movie while shooting the gun.

Greetings from Bolek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6tekvebpz0

Marcus den toom · 20th September 2013, 07:38 PM

the film where we shoot :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13RVcUIvEg

Marcus den toom · 22nd September 2013, 06:45 PM

blanck, srry :P

fernando · 22nd September 2013, 07:04 PM

I don't think you can propose item sales in the discussion forum, Marcus

.
Have you read the rules ?

Matchlock · 15th November 2013, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=Marcus den toom]The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end.

Hi Marcus,

As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces.

I am familiar with Bolek's works, to start out. Although his craft is technically amazing, he sometimes seems to lack the utmost depth of understanding when it comes down to the action of the guns, especially in the case of the ca. 1525 snap-tinderlock arquebus he reproduced after my images posted here: I am sorry to say that he did not fully grasp how the mechanism really works.

Apart from that, the proportions and decoration of most of his makes are not quite consistent with the original pieces; I realize that sadly he does not take exact measurements of all parts of the originals he rebuilds.

What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ...

No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals!

So once again:
Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly!

Best,
Michael

CutlassCollector · 19th November 2013, 11:21 AM

Hi Marcus,

As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces.

What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ...

No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals!

So once again:
Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly!

Best,
Michael[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

This is not my area of expertise so please correct me if I'm wrong.
But it looks to me as though this 'fantasy piece' is an 'absolute exact' copy of a wheelock being sold as an antique on a website in the UK! I won't put the direct link as it contains the price but it can be found under:
Antique Guns at gunstar.co.uk.

Regards,
CC

Raf · 19th November 2013, 03:39 PM

Or as as a coleague remarked does it come with a silencer ?

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 05:47 PM

Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference!

Best,
m

CutlassCollector · 19th November 2013, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference!

Best,
m

A bit further down it says Antique and along side it - Yes.

It is listed in the Antiques section - so buyer beware I guess.
I don't know about anyone else but if I was buying an antique cutlass I'd be a little upset to find it had been made last week!

CC

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutlassCollector

A bit further down it says Antique and along side it - Yes.

It is listed in the Antiques section - so buyer beware I guess.
I don't know about anyone else but if I was buying an antique cutlass I'd be a little upset to find it had been made last week!

CC

Absolutely: buyer beware!

Thanks anyway,
and best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 25th November 2013, 03:21 PM

I apologise for this mistake, i usually only sell antiques so i probably put this pistol in antique by mistake

I was a bit upset after your words Michael, but i do understand your point. I must admit that the decorations have gone a bit out of control, my first drawing was that of a saxony pistol, similair to those used by the electoral guards of augustus the first etc. Bolek liked this project so much he persuaded me to change the design to something he thought to be a representation of the early 16th century. I do like the design still, but i must admit that this piece is nothing like a real 16th century design. The mechanism however does work flawlesly (it trows a lot of sparks and fires like it should). Most other self spanning wheel locks don't have a large enough rotation to trow sufficient sparks, making them more a decorative piece than a ussuable piece (this is what i learned, but i don't have a library of 3000 books sadly hahaha

)

I do like to keep you as a friend (

) so i placed some other threads with my personal collection below.
I hope you will enjoy them better than the pistol

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17753
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17763
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17547
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548

22nd September 2013, 06:45 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	blanck, srry :P Last edited by Marcus den toom; 22nd September 2013 at 08:31 PM.

15th November 2013, 10:41 AM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	[QUOTE=Marcus den toom]The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end. Hi Marcus, As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces. I am familiar with Bolek's works, to start out. Although his craft is technically amazing, he sometimes seems to lack the utmost depth of understanding when it comes down to the action of the guns, especially in the case of the ca. 1525 snap-tinderlock arquebus he reproduced after my images posted here: I am sorry to say that he did not fully grasp how the mechanism really works. Apart from that, the proportions and decoration of most of his makes are not quite consistent with the original pieces; I realize that sadly he does not take exact measurements of all parts of the originals he rebuilds. What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ... No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals! So once again: Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly! Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 15th November 2013 at 10:56 AM.

19th November 2013, 11:21 AM	#9
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 343	Spot the difference Hi Marcus, As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces. What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ... No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals! So once again: Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly! Best, Michael[/QUOTE] Hi all, This is not my area of expertise so please correct me if I'm wrong. But it looks to me as though this 'fantasy piece' is an 'absolute exact' copy of a wheelock being sold as an antique on a website in the UK! I won't put the direct link as it contains the price but it can be found under: Antique Guns at gunstar.co.uk. Regards, CC

11th September 2013, 10:49 AM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end. Here are some pictures on his amazing work.

11th September 2013, 10:52 AM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534

11th September 2013, 12:32 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Moi

16th September 2013, 07:53 AM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	The pistol is complete, maybe today also a movie while shooting the gun. Greetings from Bolek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6tekvebpz0

20th September 2013, 07:38 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	the film where we shoot :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13RVcUIvEg

22nd September 2013, 07:04 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I don't think you can propose item sales in the discussion forum, Marcus . Have you read the rules ?

19th November 2013, 03:39 PM	#10
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Or as as a coleague remarked does it come with a silencer ?

19th November 2013, 05:47 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference! Best, m

25th November 2013, 03:21 PM	#14
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	I apologise for this mistake, i usually only sell antiques so i probably put this pistol in antique by mistake I was a bit upset after your words Michael, but i do understand your point. I must admit that the decorations have gone a bit out of control, my first drawing was that of a saxony pistol, similair to those used by the electoral guards of augustus the first etc. Bolek liked this project so much he persuaded me to change the design to something he thought to be a representation of the early 16th century. I do like the design still, but i must admit that this piece is nothing like a real 16th century design. The mechanism however does work flawlesly (it trows a lot of sparks and fires like it should). Most other self spanning wheel locks don't have a large enough rotation to trow sufficient sparks, making them more a decorative piece than a ussuable piece (this is what i learned, but i don't have a library of 3000 books sadly hahaha ) I do like to keep you as a friend ( ) so i placed some other threads with my personal collection below. I hope you will enjoy them better than the pistol http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17753 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17763 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17547 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548