Middle-Eastern Dagger?

kahnjar1 · 8th September 2013, 06:03 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...kurdish+dagger
Check this post from earlier on the Forum. There are pics here of Kurdish daggers. You will see what I mean about the possible (and likely)wear on the hilt.
Stu

tonil · 8th September 2013, 06:55 PM

hi stu
yes this is the nearest example of the hilt that i have seen, so it looks like a kurdish dagger then. thank you for that info. would you have any idea of the age, even what century it might be. tom

VANDOO · 9th September 2013, 02:12 AM

ONE THING FOR SURE IS THIS DAGGER IS NOT NEW OFF THE STORE SHELF.

IT HAS BEEN CARRIED AND USED SOMETIMES ROUGHLY FOR MANY YEARS BY A TRIBESMAN. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE POMMEL MAY HAVE BEEN USED MORE THAN ONCE TO TRY AND DRIVE A NAIL. A GOOD OLD USED DAGGER WITH STORIES TO TELL

BRASS IS NOT MAGNETIC AND IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR SCABBARDS TO BE PLATED OR WASHED WITH SILVER FOR LOOKS. IF YOU SEE A BRASS COLOR SHOWING THRU THEN THAT IS LIKELY WHAT THE SCABBARD IS MADE OF. THE DECORATIVE FITTINGS COULD BE THE SAME BUT MAY BE SILVER.

tonil · 9th September 2013, 08:03 AM

thank you vandoo for the info, i did clean the scabbard and decorative pieces when i was given this dagger,it was that colour silver goes when it gets dirty. i cannot see a brass colour showing through, but the tip of the scabbard is a brass colour. would you have any idea of the age, as you say it does look like it has been used and worn. many thanks tom

Richard G · 9th September 2013, 02:37 PM

Here, if it works, is a photograph of a Kurd taken by Wilfred Thesiger in 1950.
Regards
Richard

VANDOO · 9th September 2013, 05:23 PM

JUDGEING FROM THE PICTURES I WOULD GUESS A HUNDERED YEARS OR MORE IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. BEARING IN MIND 100 YEARS AGO IS NOT VERY LONG OVER 100 YEARS AGO MY GRANDPARENTS WHO I KNEW INTO MY EARLY 20'S CAME OUT TO OKLAHOMA FOR THE LAND RUSH IN A HORSE AND WAGON FROM KANSAS. IN MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD PEOPLE STILL LIVE THE SAME AS THEY DID HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND LITTLE HAS CHANGED LOCALLY. THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE DAGGER IN A LIFETIME AND PASS IT DOWN THRU THE FAMILY UNTIL IT WEARS OUT.

Sajen · 9th September 2013, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...kurdish+dagger
Check this post from earlier on the Forum. There are pics here of Kurdish daggers. You will see what I mean about the possible (and likely)wear on the hilt.
Stu

Hello Stu,

all shown Kurdish daggers have a blade with middle rib while Tom's dagger hasn't this feature.

But frankly said I know nothing about Kurdish daggers.

Regards,

Detlef

tonil · 9th September 2013, 06:09 PM

hi stu and detlef,
thank you detlef that was my next question,why is it the blade is flat on this dagger. the only one that looks as if it might be flat on the post from kahnjar 1 is the one on the far left. the middle rib could not have been sharpened off somehow could it many thanks tom

kahnjar1 · 9th September 2013, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Stu,

all shown Kurdish daggers have a blade with middle rib while Tom's dagger hasn't this feature.

But frankly said I know nothing about Kurdish daggers.

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,
I agree but then this one has a lot of wear on the hilt so it could follow that the blade has also been worn down over time, or could have been replaced.
Stu

A.alnakkas · 9th September 2013, 08:24 PM

they come with flat blades (have seen one with a flat wootz blade once) and multifullered ones too. So nothing out of the ordinary.

Sajen · 9th September 2013, 10:01 PM

Thank you both for clarification!

Regards,

Detlef

tonil · 9th September 2013, 10:13 PM

thank you , a alnakkas,
for confirming about the flat blade, i was beginning to think the dagger was a misfit, but looking at where the end of the blade fits into the hilt it does not seem to be tampered with.
sorry to ask so many questions but could anyone tell me about the hilt, maybe what its made of. many thanks tom

9th September 2013, 02:37 PM	#5
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Here, if it works, is a photograph of a Kurd taken by Wilfred Thesiger in 1950. Regards Richard Attached Images

8th September 2013, 06:03 PM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...kurdish+dagger Check this post from earlier on the Forum. There are pics here of Kurdish daggers. You will see what I mean about the possible (and likely)wear on the hilt. Stu

8th September 2013, 06:55 PM	#2
tonil Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7	hi stu yes this is the nearest example of the hilt that i have seen, so it looks like a kurdish dagger then. thank you for that info. would you have any idea of the age, even what century it might be. tom

9th September 2013, 02:12 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ONE THING FOR SURE IS THIS DAGGER IS NOT NEW OFF THE STORE SHELF. IT HAS BEEN CARRIED AND USED SOMETIMES ROUGHLY FOR MANY YEARS BY A TRIBESMAN. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE POMMEL MAY HAVE BEEN USED MORE THAN ONCE TO TRY AND DRIVE A NAIL. A GOOD OLD USED DAGGER WITH STORIES TO TELL BRASS IS NOT MAGNETIC AND IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR SCABBARDS TO BE PLATED OR WASHED WITH SILVER FOR LOOKS. IF YOU SEE A BRASS COLOR SHOWING THRU THEN THAT IS LIKELY WHAT THE SCABBARD IS MADE OF. THE DECORATIVE FITTINGS COULD BE THE SAME BUT MAY BE SILVER.

9th September 2013, 08:03 AM	#4
tonil Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7	thank you vandoo for the info, i did clean the scabbard and decorative pieces when i was given this dagger,it was that colour silver goes when it gets dirty. i cannot see a brass colour showing through, but the tip of the scabbard is a brass colour. would you have any idea of the age, as you say it does look like it has been used and worn. many thanks tom

9th September 2013, 05:23 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	JUDGEING FROM THE PICTURES I WOULD GUESS A HUNDERED YEARS OR MORE IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. BEARING IN MIND 100 YEARS AGO IS NOT VERY LONG OVER 100 YEARS AGO MY GRANDPARENTS WHO I KNEW INTO MY EARLY 20'S CAME OUT TO OKLAHOMA FOR THE LAND RUSH IN A HORSE AND WAGON FROM KANSAS. IN MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD PEOPLE STILL LIVE THE SAME AS THEY DID HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND LITTLE HAS CHANGED LOCALLY. THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE DAGGER IN A LIFETIME AND PASS IT DOWN THRU THE FAMILY UNTIL IT WEARS OUT.

9th September 2013, 06:09 PM	#8
tonil Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7	hi stu and detlef, thank you detlef that was my next question,why is it the blade is flat on this dagger. the only one that looks as if it might be flat on the post from kahnjar 1 is the one on the far left. the middle rib could not have been sharpened off somehow could it many thanks tom

9th September 2013, 08:24 PM	#10
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	they come with flat blades (have seen one with a flat wootz blade once) and multifullered ones too. So nothing out of the ordinary.

9th September 2013, 10:01 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you both for clarification! Regards, Detlef

9th September 2013, 10:13 PM	#12
tonil Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7	thank you , a alnakkas, for confirming about the flat blade, i was beginning to think the dagger was a misfit, but looking at where the end of the blade fits into the hilt it does not seem to be tampered with. sorry to ask so many questions but could anyone tell me about the hilt, maybe what its made of. many thanks tom