Breech loading 1450-1550

Marcus den toom · 25th August 2013, 08:18 AM

Yesterday i bought this nice artifact from the sea of cortez. It is a 16th century powder chamber for a breechloading cannon

And yes i kknow it looks like a pile of rust, but this actually pretty nice :P.

The chamber measures 8 inch (20 cm), looks like a 2,5inch caliber, but i have to verify this when it arrives at my home.

fernando · 25th August 2013, 02:47 PM

A very significant piece for collectors of this area, Marcus.
You should have started a new thread with it

.
And by the way, if you feel unsatisfied when it arrives, let me know and we go on business

Marcus den toom · 11th September 2013, 10:49 AM

The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end.
Here are some pictures on his amazing work.

Marcus den toom · 11th September 2013, 10:52 AM

fernando · 11th September 2013, 12:32 PM

Moi

Marcus den toom · 16th September 2013, 07:53 AM

The pistol is complete, maybe today also a movie while shooting the gun.

Greetings from Bolek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6tekvebpz0

Marcus den toom · 20th September 2013, 07:38 PM

the film where we shoot :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13RVcUIvEg

Matchlock · 15th November 2013, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=Marcus den toom]The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end.

Hi Marcus,

As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces.

I am familiar with Bolek's works, to start out. Although his craft is technically amazing, he sometimes seems to lack the utmost depth of understanding when it comes down to the action of the guns, especially in the case of the ca. 1525 snap-tinderlock arquebus he reproduced after my images posted here: I am sorry to say that he did not fully grasp how the mechanism really works.

Apart from that, the proportions and decoration of most of his makes are not quite consistent with the original pieces; I realize that sadly he does not take exact measurements of all parts of the originals he rebuilds.

What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ...

No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals!

So once again:
Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly!

Best,
Michael

CutlassCollector · 19th November 2013, 11:21 AM

Hi Marcus,

As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces.

What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ...

No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals!

So once again:
Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly!

Best,
Michael[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

This is not my area of expertise so please correct me if I'm wrong.
But it looks to me as though this 'fantasy piece' is an 'absolute exact' copy of a wheelock being sold as an antique on a website in the UK! I won't put the direct link as it contains the price but it can be found under:
Antique Guns at gunstar.co.uk.

Regards,
CC

Raf · 19th November 2013, 03:39 PM

Or as as a coleague remarked does it come with a silencer ?

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 05:47 PM

Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference!

Best,
m

CutlassCollector · 19th November 2013, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference!

Best,
m

A bit further down it says Antique and along side it - Yes.

It is listed in the Antiques section - so buyer beware I guess.
I don't know about anyone else but if I was buying an antique cutlass I'd be a little upset to find it had been made last week!

CC

15th November 2013, 10:41 AM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	[QUOTE=Marcus den toom]The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end. Hi Marcus, As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces. I am familiar with Bolek's works, to start out. Although his craft is technically amazing, he sometimes seems to lack the utmost depth of understanding when it comes down to the action of the guns, especially in the case of the ca. 1525 snap-tinderlock arquebus he reproduced after my images posted here: I am sorry to say that he did not fully grasp how the mechanism really works. Apart from that, the proportions and decoration of most of his makes are not quite consistent with the original pieces; I realize that sadly he does not take exact measurements of all parts of the originals he rebuilds. What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ... No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals! So once again: Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly! Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 15th November 2013 at 10:56 AM.

19th November 2013, 11:21 AM	#9
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 369	Spot the difference Hi Marcus, As Jim and others have remarked various times, this forum should priorily be reserved to historic and authentic original pieces. What is even worse in terms of purity and science: the gun shown here is a complete fantasy piece; he only used some influences and features of an existing ca. 1530-35 wheellock mechanism! The shape and style of decoration of the stock is mere fantasy as well, with some similarities to original pieces of ca. 1600 (!) at best, so what he did was producing a crude and cruel mixture of styles combining a span of ca. 70 years in one piece and filling in the gaps with a lot of imagination ... No such original gun did ever exist, and I do do not feel very pleased to see those confusing images in my thread that is on pure originals! So once again: Please do stick to originals or do copy them absolutely exactly! Best, Michael[/QUOTE] Hi all, This is not my area of expertise so please correct me if I'm wrong. But it looks to me as though this 'fantasy piece' is an 'absolute exact' copy of a wheelock being sold as an antique on a website in the UK! I won't put the direct link as it contains the price but it can be found under: Antique Guns at gunstar.co.uk. Regards, CC

25th August 2013, 08:18 AM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	Yesterday i bought this nice artifact from the sea of cortez. It is a 16th century powder chamber for a breechloading cannon And yes i kknow it looks like a pile of rust, but this actually pretty nice :P. The chamber measures 8 inch (20 cm), looks like a 2,5inch caliber, but i have to verify this when it arrives at my home.

25th August 2013, 02:47 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A very significant piece for collectors of this area, Marcus. You should have started a new thread with it . And by the way, if you feel unsatisfied when it arrives, let me know and we go on business

11th September 2013, 10:49 AM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	The Project Bolek (raspla) is doing for me is almost at a end. Here are some pictures on his amazing work.

11th September 2013, 10:52 AM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540

11th September 2013, 12:32 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Moi

16th September 2013, 07:53 AM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	The pistol is complete, maybe today also a movie while shooting the gun. Greetings from Bolek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6tekvebpz0

20th September 2013, 07:38 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	the film where we shoot :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13RVcUIvEg

19th November 2013, 03:39 PM	#10
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Or as as a coleague remarked does it come with a silencer ?

19th November 2013, 05:47 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Gunstar is not saying the item is old or original, they just labeled it 'used' (!!!) which makes all the difference! Best, m