The “ regulation Khyber Knife” in the Afghani Army at end of the 19th – beginning of

Emanuel · 21st August 2013, 04:22 PM

Great article! I always wondered about these swords.

When I worked in Hyderabad, India, I lived close to Karkhana Road. My understanding is that it means factory/workshop and it referred to arsenals that were located on that road in the past.

So it makes sense now.

Emanuel

mahratt · 21st August 2013, 08:39 PM

Dear forum members, thank you for your kind words and for clarification of my inaccuracies.

I have a huge request to all. If you have some sort of information on the Afghan interesting items, please let me know. In addition, I am interested in purchasing Afghan unusual items. I was particularly interested in the Afghan shashka

Jim McDougall · 23rd August 2013, 10:50 PM

Thank you so much for the very kind recognition Dmitry, it was of course my pleasure to offer any assistance. I would like to congratulate you as well on a brillantly composed article on these intriguing edged weapons, which truly have deserved far more attention than they have ever received.

I would like to thank those who have responded with added observations and detail to further advance our knowledge toward better identification and understanding of these arms. I sincerely hope others reading here will continue that course.

Very best regards,
Jim

Sajen · 23rd August 2013, 11:24 PM

Thank you very much for your research. It's not my area of collecting but I have read it with great interest!

Detlef

mahratt · 25th August 2013, 10:15 AM

Many thanks to all for the nice words for me! I appreciate your opinion, dear forum members! Thank you again!

Richard G · 25th August 2013, 12:59 PM

I have, on occasion, seen the nucklebow hilted short sabre, or very similar, described as Persian and even Turkish. Were these misattributions of a type produced only in Afghanistan? or were they also produced and used in other armies of the region?
Best wishes
Richard

mahratt · 25th August 2013, 01:11 PM

Dear Richard

Descriptions of many of these items and they are often different. My opinion is that the diversity of descriptions - from ignorance (I apologize for the harshness of my words)..
It is understood that the items with afghan stamps - are made and used in Afghanistan. Although, I'm sure that many of these items to other countries as trophies.

It would be easier to talk, discussing a specific item.

Jim McDougall · 26th August 2013, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard G

I have, on occasion, seen the nucklebow hilted short sabre, or very similar, described as Persian and even Turkish. Were these misattributions of a type produced only in Afghanistan? or were they also produced and used in other armies of the region?
Best wishes
Richard

Richard, when these first entered the collectibles market (it seems around 20 years ago...I think I got my example around 1999), a few of them appeared in several mail order catalogs with some very odd attributions. I think one was captioned as a 'Greek cutlass'!
Over following years it seems one caption claimed one of these was Spanish and the stamp was of the 'pillars of Hercules'!

These often bizarre attributions have often been seen on numerous ethnographic weapons over the years, and many of them have been properly identified here on these pages, which is in essence why we are here

These discussions have all been fascinating, and Dmitry's work here is a perfect example of such outstanding arms study.
As far asI have known, these 'regulation' type swords were only ever produced for use in Afghanistan for use in thier army.

21st August 2013, 04:22 PM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Great article! I always wondered about these swords. When I worked in Hyderabad, India, I lived close to Karkhana Road. My understanding is that it means factory/workshop and it referred to arsenals that were located on that road in the past. So it makes sense now. Emanuel

21st August 2013, 08:39 PM	#2
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Dear forum members, thank you for your kind words and for clarification of my inaccuracies. I have a huge request to all. If you have some sort of information on the Afghan interesting items, please let me know. In addition, I am interested in purchasing Afghan unusual items. I was particularly interested in the Afghan shashka

23rd August 2013, 10:50 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,680	Thank you so much for the very kind recognition Dmitry, it was of course my pleasure to offer any assistance. I would like to congratulate you as well on a brillantly composed article on these intriguing edged weapons, which truly have deserved far more attention than they have ever received. I would like to thank those who have responded with added observations and detail to further advance our knowledge toward better identification and understanding of these arms. I sincerely hope others reading here will continue that course. Very best regards, Jim

23rd August 2013, 11:24 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,447	Thank you very much for your research. It's not my area of collecting but I have read it with great interest! Detlef

25th August 2013, 10:15 AM	#5
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Many thanks to all for the nice words for me! I appreciate your opinion, dear forum members! Thank you again!

25th August 2013, 12:59 PM	#6
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 415	I have, on occasion, seen the nucklebow hilted short sabre, or very similar, described as Persian and even Turkish. Were these misattributions of a type produced only in Afghanistan? or were they also produced and used in other armies of the region? Best wishes Richard

25th August 2013, 01:11 PM	#7
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Dear Richard Descriptions of many of these items and they are often different. My opinion is that the diversity of descriptions - from ignorance (I apologize for the harshness of my words).. It is understood that the items with afghan stamps - are made and used in Afghanistan. Although, I'm sure that many of these items to other countries as trophies. It would be easier to talk, discussing a specific item.