Info on English percussion pistol ??

hbhansen · 2nd July 2013, 08:11 PM

Hmm this is not good news.
I was expecting to sell this one to reduce the price on the other one. If this is a copy it is pretty much worthless

I think I must talk to the auktion house tomorrow....
Thanks Guys.
Any more comment would be appreciated.
If you follow this link, it is possible to zoom in on the pics. http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk/sold-i...en&mode=detail
Best
HB

Jim McDougall · 2nd July 2013, 10:14 PM

Kronckew, you are a true gentleman, and I know with your knowledge on these guns that you were withholding out of genuine courtesy. I felt the same way when I looked at this, and I always feel badly when one of our own ends up with one of these kinds of deals.

With only a 'working knowledge' on firearms I very much appreciate the detail you have added to benefit all on recognizing the particulars on these.
Excellent assessments by Tony also, and clearly Fernando joined in our suspicions. It sounds like the auction caption was actually accurate, but as always terminology can be a slippery slope at times.

The Danish pistol in itself is a 'conquest' as these seem kind of hard to find in my view, as are most Danish arms.

I think one telling thing that was a major red flag to me was the lionhead butt cap. These guns are presumably representative of the East India Co. pistols which seem to usually have the rampant lion on the lock, and the butt plate is flat brass. Ive never seen a lionhead butt plate on a military pistol.
From a purely ethnographic point of view, this is an interesting example of one of the products of this intriguing area Khyber region as these arms making traditions have been practiced there for centuries. That to me makes this sort of fascinating inherently so lesson learned, and good item to have as an example.
H.B. ,
Trust me, in my years of collecting some of my 'misteakes' were far, far less interesting so the sting was much worse.

Your reasoning was sound and well played though in the acquisition.

kahnjar1 · 9th July 2013, 05:51 AM

I have tended not to comment on this section of the Forum as it is a while since I dabbled in these things. I do however have to agree with others comments about this piece. There are a number of relatively obvious "errors" which suggest NOT of English make, and I do feel not of factory manufacture either. I use the term "factory" to describe what those in Europe understand as a place of firearms manufacture.
IF there are any proof marks present then at best I would think a put together piece using available parts from other guns.
Don't be disheartened as we have all (if we are truthful) been caught like this at some time. It is how we learn..................
Stu

hbhansen · 18th July 2013, 06:43 PM

Thank you very much to all of you.
The buy has been cancelled and i my money has been returned.
Best
HB

2nd July 2013, 08:11 PM	#1
hbhansen Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 89	Hmm this is not good news. I was expecting to sell this one to reduce the price on the other one. If this is a copy it is pretty much worthless I think I must talk to the auktion house tomorrow.... Thanks Guys. Any more comment would be appreciated. If you follow this link, it is possible to zoom in on the pics. http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk/sold-i...en&mode=detail Best HB Last edited by hbhansen; 2nd July 2013 at 08:24 PM.

2nd July 2013, 10:14 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Kronckew, you are a true gentleman, and I know with your knowledge on these guns that you were withholding out of genuine courtesy. I felt the same way when I looked at this, and I always feel badly when one of our own ends up with one of these kinds of deals. With only a 'working knowledge' on firearms I very much appreciate the detail you have added to benefit all on recognizing the particulars on these. Excellent assessments by Tony also, and clearly Fernando joined in our suspicions. It sounds like the auction caption was actually accurate, but as always terminology can be a slippery slope at times. The Danish pistol in itself is a 'conquest' as these seem kind of hard to find in my view, as are most Danish arms. I think one telling thing that was a major red flag to me was the lionhead butt cap. These guns are presumably representative of the East India Co. pistols which seem to usually have the rampant lion on the lock, and the butt plate is flat brass. Ive never seen a lionhead butt plate on a military pistol. From a purely ethnographic point of view, this is an interesting example of one of the products of this intriguing area Khyber region as these arms making traditions have been practiced there for centuries. That to me makes this sort of fascinating inherently so lesson learned, and good item to have as an example. H.B. , Trust me, in my years of collecting some of my 'misteakes' were far, far less interesting so the sting was much worse. Your reasoning was sound and well played though in the acquisition.

9th July 2013, 05:51 AM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	I have tended not to comment on this section of the Forum as it is a while since I dabbled in these things. I do however have to agree with others comments about this piece. There are a number of relatively obvious "errors" which suggest NOT of English make, and I do feel not of factory manufacture either. I use the term "factory" to describe what those in Europe understand as a place of firearms manufacture. IF there are any proof marks present then at best I would think a put together piece using available parts from other guns. Don't be disheartened as we have all (if we are truthful) been caught like this at some time. It is how we learn.................. Stu

18th July 2013, 06:43 PM	#4
hbhansen Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 89	Thank you very much to all of you. The buy has been cancelled and i my money has been returned. Best HB