EARLY 17 TH SOLIGEN SMALL SWORD FOR COMMENT

Dmitry · 13th June 2013, 04:42 AM

The blade was probably period-shortened. I have seen several near identical Solingen blades with multi-fullered ricassos, dating to the end of 16th c. They reused many sword parts back then. Doesn't mean it's a recent composite, just a munitions-grade trooper's sword from the mid-17th c. with an earlier blade.

Jim McDougall · 13th June 2013, 06:26 PM

You're very welcome Jean-Luc, Im glad I could offer some useful info, and thank you for the great image of the stamp at forte. I will work at getting scans of the Wagner pages and enter them here.
Fernando K nicely done on identifying the mark!!!! I guess it was an M after all

I dont have that catalog, only the Palomares plate from Calvert.

Jean-luc looks like you were already pretty much spot on when you posted this, and the blade is indeed about mid 16th century. As I mentioned earlier this seems to have been refurbished in the 17th century and quite likely was shortened at that time, as was often the case as arms were often reworked to supply troops.
Outstanding historical piece reflecting a sturdy working life! and interesting to see this makers stamp on a Solingen blade, though of course numerous Spanish makers stamps were copied in these times.

cornelistromp · 13th June 2013, 07:26 PM

the pommel and blade come from a well known cavalry type of broadsword from around 1600 used in Germany and the low lands.
see pictures with a similar type of blade an with the inscription mefecit solingen.

the blade is a bit worn, there are three channels on the ricasso and two underneath.
the original blade length of this type was around 75 cm, but there are also examples known to me with a shorter length fe a crabhilted sword in a privat collection made by clemens horn (1580-1630) made around 1600.

the guard of the sword under discussion is unusual for the 17th century, the sword seems to me to be a composite one, however,done in the first half of the 17th century.

the mark probably comes from solingen designed to the examples from toledo, this was often done by the swordsmiths from solingen in the early 17th century.
(fe the marks of wilhelm Tesche, johannes Mumm, wilm small, Peter Hoppe eso)

best,
Jasper

Cerjak · 14th June 2013, 07:12 AM

Dear Jasper

Thank you very much for those precious informations,could you let me know from you have found those pictures
Regards

Cerjak

cornelistromp · 14th June 2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Dear Jasper

Thank you very much for those precious informations,could you let me know from you have found those pictures
Regards

Cerjak

van Maurits naar Munster, author Jan Piet Puype

best,
jasper

13th June 2013, 04:42 AM	#1
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	The blade was probably period-shortened. I have seen several near identical Solingen blades with multi-fullered ricassos, dating to the end of 16th c. They reused many sword parts back then. Doesn't mean it's a recent composite, just a munitions-grade trooper's sword from the mid-17th c. with an earlier blade. Last edited by Dmitry; 13th June 2013 at 04:57 AM.

13th June 2013, 07:26 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	the pommel and blade come from a well known cavalry type of broadsword from around 1600 used in Germany and the low lands. see pictures with a similar type of blade an with the inscription mefecit solingen. the blade is a bit worn, there are three channels on the ricasso and two underneath. the original blade length of this type was around 75 cm, but there are also examples known to me with a shorter length fe a crabhilted sword in a privat collection made by clemens horn (1580-1630) made around 1600. the guard of the sword under discussion is unusual for the 17th century, the sword seems to me to be a composite one, however,done in the first half of the 17th century. the mark probably comes from solingen designed to the examples from toledo, this was often done by the swordsmiths from solingen in the early 17th century. (fe the marks of wilhelm Tesche, johannes Mumm, wilm small, Peter Hoppe eso) best, Jasper Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 13th June 2013 at 08:03 PM.

13th June 2013, 06:26 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,195	You're very welcome Jean-Luc, Im glad I could offer some useful info, and thank you for the great image of the stamp at forte. I will work at getting scans of the Wagner pages and enter them here. Fernando K nicely done on identifying the mark!!!! I guess it was an M after all I dont have that catalog, only the Palomares plate from Calvert. Jean-luc looks like you were already pretty much spot on when you posted this, and the blade is indeed about mid 16th century. As I mentioned earlier this seems to have been refurbished in the 17th century and quite likely was shortened at that time, as was often the case as arms were often reworked to supply troops. Outstanding historical piece reflecting a sturdy working life! and interesting to see this makers stamp on a Solingen blade, though of course numerous Spanish makers stamps were copied in these times.

14th June 2013, 07:12 AM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear Jasper Thank you very much for those precious informations,could you let me know from you have found those pictures Regards Cerjak