Unusual kris with shell guard

VVV · 18th April 2013, 11:34 AM

Gustav, thanks for taking your time writing such a good explanation.
I can see that my references were not as clear as I hoped so maybe I should have skipped them altogether (or maybe only included #3).

What I wanted to show was that, especially, the elephant trunk area (your arrow 1) on Carlos' kris is quite crudely done, something that is also found on the kris blades from Panay.
It seems from your description like you have the same impression of Carlos' kris, but not the other krisses, on this part?
The blade did not strike me as Moro, and never having heard about the Bicolano kris production before this, combined with the other features, made me suspect Panay. A proven kris producing area which is quite close to Bicol, too.
This is getting more and more interesting and I hope someone soon will be able to find some reference on the existence of local kris production in Bicol.

Michael

Gustav · 18th April 2013, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

What I wanted to show was that, especially, the elephant trunk area (your arrow 1) on Carlos' kris is quite crudely done, something that is also found on the kris blades from Panay.
It seems from your description like you have the same impression of Carlos' kris, but not the other krisses, on this part?

Michael

Michael, you certainly are correct. Even if we would suppose, the Carlos' kris would have lost some substance due to some rust cleaning/resharpening, it is much crudely done from beginning on.

It's a pity we don't have closer pictures of museum's kris, which appears to be better crafted and in good condition.

Battara · 20th April 2013, 03:53 AM

Ok regarding the Bicol piece not being or being a form of kris, I guess I need to see the whole blade.

kai · 20th April 2013, 09:11 AM

Hello Jose,

Here the one from the Spanish museum.

How about the other two examples from Carlos and Barry?

Regards,
Kai

Robert · 20th April 2013, 09:41 AM

This the best that I can do. Hope it is of some help.

Best,
Robert

carlos · 20th April 2013, 12:54 PM

New pictures from the tang and place from missing ferrule ?
Best regards and thanks all for information
carlos

Gustav · 20th April 2013, 01:11 PM

Carlos, are there engravings on the Gandhik (area under the elefant trunk), or are these just different overlapping metal layers? I see, this side of the blade base (from your previous post) is in much better state of preservation, perhaps becouse of the protrusion of the hand guard covering it. Now we see the other side has been extensively filed down.

If you were able to remove the hilt and hand guard completely, it would be very interesting to see a complete picture of this side (base of blade looking at it from 90°).

kai · 24th April 2013, 09:23 AM

Hello Michael,

Thanks for posting examples - I need to screen my references and will get back to you on Panay/Visayan pieces.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Gustav, thanks for taking your time writing such a good explanation.

Yeah, thanks for elaborating on my terse exposition, Gustav!

Regards,
Kai

Gustav · 27th April 2013, 10:18 PM

Just for reference: a thread, which handles weapons with similar handles and hand guards:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=parang+nabur

20th April 2013, 09:11 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Jose, Here the one from the Spanish museum. How about the other two examples from Carlos and Barry? Regards, Kai Attached Images

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Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	This the best that I can do. Hope it is of some help. Best, Robert Attached Images

20th April 2013, 12:54 PM	#6
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	More pictures New pictures from the tang and place from missing ferrule ? Best regards and thanks all for information carlos Attached Images

20th April 2013, 01:11 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Carlos, are there engravings on the Gandhik (area under the elefant trunk), or are these just different overlapping metal layers? I see, this side of the blade base (from your previous post) is in much better state of preservation, perhaps becouse of the protrusion of the hand guard covering it. Now we see the other side has been extensively filed down. If you were able to remove the hilt and hand guard completely, it would be very interesting to see a complete picture of this side (base of blade looking at it from 90°). Last edited by Gustav; 20th April 2013 at 01:43 PM.

18th April 2013, 11:34 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Gustav, thanks for taking your time writing such a good explanation. I can see that my references were not as clear as I hoped so maybe I should have skipped them altogether (or maybe only included #3). What I wanted to show was that, especially, the elephant trunk area (your arrow 1) on Carlos' kris is quite crudely done, something that is also found on the kris blades from Panay. It seems from your description like you have the same impression of Carlos' kris, but not the other krisses, on this part? The blade did not strike me as Moro, and never having heard about the Bicolano kris production before this, combined with the other features, made me suspect Panay. A proven kris producing area which is quite close to Bicol, too. This is getting more and more interesting and I hope someone soon will be able to find some reference on the existence of local kris production in Bicol. Michael

20th April 2013, 03:53 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Ok regarding the Bicol piece not being or being a form of kris, I guess I need to see the whole blade.

27th April 2013, 10:18 PM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Just for reference: a thread, which handles weapons with similar handles and hand guards: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=parang+nabur