Identifying BREASTPLATE

A Senefelder · 3rd April 2013, 07:51 PM

Nando, the pics inside do appeare to show delamination. How " flakey " is it at the points where its lifting away?

fernando · 3rd April 2013, 08:25 PM

Ho Allan, i wouldn't resist answering such technical lexicon ... and the breastplate is already back to the wall where it hangs.
But i have three pictures left; i hope they speak by themselves.
If it weren't for your enlightening on the laminated construction, i would (still)think my example is forged from two whole layers

Apart from the edges, the whole interior seems to be an entire part; but i am an ignarum in this field

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A Senefelder · 4th April 2013, 01:40 PM

Nando, next question, as you can see in Jeans pics the inside of his breast plate is flat ( not shiney ) rusting metal, yours is glossy ( shiney and reflects light, except where delamination has occured ( the piece that has split away is shiney, the metal underneath, is flat like Jeans ). I'm guessing that the " shiney " is either A) varnish to seal the surface, or B) and older treatment museums used to use ( I don't think they do this anymore ) a special wax. From you obsevarions, what is the treatment over the inside of the metal? I'm looking to determine which as if it is the older wax, they could sometimes get a little overzealous with it and if thick enough just might give the appearance of small delamination points ( i'm looking to as near as possible from pics make sure i'm seeing what I think i'm seeing ).

Side note, Jean got your email, will respond with a book list. Had a very busy week finishing a few things to meet completion dates.

Cerjak · 4th April 2013, 01:46 PM

[QUOTE=A Senefelder]Nando, next question, as you can see in Jeans pics the inside of his breast plate is flat ( not shiney ) rusting metal, yours is glossy ( shiney and reflects light, except where delamination has occured ( the piece that has split away is shiney, the metal underneath, is flat like Jeans ). I'm guessing that the " shiney " is either A) varnish to seal the surface, or B) and older treatment museums used to use ( I don't think they do this anymore ) a special wax. From you obsevarions, what is the treatment over the inside of the metal? I'm looking to determine which as if it is the older wax, they could sometimes get a little overzealous with it and if thick enough just might give the appearance of small delamination points ( i'm looking to as near as possible from pics make sure i'm seeing what I think i'm seeing ).

Side note, Jean got your email, will respond with a book list. Had a very busy week finishing a few things to meet completion dates.[/QUO
TE]
No problem Allan, you have all your time to answer me ..
Kind regards

Jean-Luc

3rd April 2013, 08:25 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ho Allan, i wouldn't resist answering such technical lexicon ... and the breastplate is already back to the wall where it hangs. But i have three pictures left; i hope they speak by themselves. If it weren't for your enlightening on the laminated construction, i would (still)think my example is forged from two whole layers Apart from the edges, the whole interior seems to be an entire part; but i am an ignarum in this field . Attached Images

3rd April 2013, 07:51 PM	#1
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Nando, the pics inside do appeare to show delamination. How " flakey " is it at the points where its lifting away?

4th April 2013, 01:40 PM	#3
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Nando, next question, as you can see in Jeans pics the inside of his breast plate is flat ( not shiney ) rusting metal, yours is glossy ( shiney and reflects light, except where delamination has occured ( the piece that has split away is shiney, the metal underneath, is flat like Jeans ). I'm guessing that the " shiney " is either A) varnish to seal the surface, or B) and older treatment museums used to use ( I don't think they do this anymore ) a special wax. From you obsevarions, what is the treatment over the inside of the metal? I'm looking to determine which as if it is the older wax, they could sometimes get a little overzealous with it and if thick enough just might give the appearance of small delamination points ( i'm looking to as near as possible from pics make sure i'm seeing what I think i'm seeing ). Side note, Jean got your email, will respond with a book list. Had a very busy week finishing a few things to meet completion dates.

4th April 2013, 01:46 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	[QUOTE=A Senefelder]Nando, next question, as you can see in Jeans pics the inside of his breast plate is flat ( not shiney ) rusting metal, yours is glossy ( shiney and reflects light, except where delamination has occured ( the piece that has split away is shiney, the metal underneath, is flat like Jeans ). I'm guessing that the " shiney " is either A) varnish to seal the surface, or B) and older treatment museums used to use ( I don't think they do this anymore ) a special wax. From you obsevarions, what is the treatment over the inside of the metal? I'm looking to determine which as if it is the older wax, they could sometimes get a little overzealous with it and if thick enough just might give the appearance of small delamination points ( i'm looking to as near as possible from pics make sure i'm seeing what I think i'm seeing ). Side note, Jean got your email, will respond with a book list. Had a very busy week finishing a few things to meet completion dates.[/QUO TE] No problem Allan, you have all your time to answer me .. Kind regards Jean-Luc