A French halberd head ?

fernando · 22nd March 2013, 06:01 PM

Not so offhand, Allan,
To tell you the truth, i was divided into posting this piece in the Ethno section or in here.
The decoration also looks Eastern to me but, somehow, i was influenced by the (French looking ?) extensions and by the fact that it was acquired in France.
Will copy this thread to the Ethno Forum.

Norman McCormick · 23rd March 2013, 02:37 PM

Hi Fernando,
Possibly a South European Ronseur?
My Regards,
Norman.

Timo Nieminen · 23rd March 2013, 10:56 PM

The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar.

How large/heavy is it?

fernando · 24th March 2013, 12:12 PM

Thank you Norman

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Just about what i think it might be. Watch the example in Neumann's book.

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fernando · 24th March 2013, 12:26 PM

Thank you Timo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timo Nieminen

The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar.

How large/heavy is it?

Total length 38 cms.... as it is, without socket. Weight 512 grams. Width at the extensions 7 cms.
I don't think this cast work ... or Victorian !
Besides, the decorations represent some later interference, as proposed by David, rather than proposed by Allan

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/newrep...ote=1&p=154918

junker · 1st April 2013, 05:11 PM

Hi,
I found the two in the book from Müller/Körting.
First is called an italian one with the decoration, second also called a french halberd. Both from end of the 17 century

best
Dirk

fernando · 1st April 2013, 05:44 PM

Thank you so much for those precious pictures, Dirk.
Assuming i have a descendant of those early specimens, the problem now is guessing how late my variant is.
Maybe the Islamic decoration probability is now less evident.

junker · 1st April 2013, 06:03 PM

I will keep my eyes open. because i like polearms and lances best maybe i get once another clue

23rd March 2013, 02:37 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi Fernando, Possibly a South European Ronseur? My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

24th March 2013, 12:12 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Norman . Just about what i think it might be. Watch the example in Neumann's book. . Attached Images

1st April 2013, 05:11 PM	#6
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, I found the two in the book from Müller/Körting. First is called an italian one with the decoration, second also called a french halberd. Both from end of the 17 century best Dirk Attached Images

22nd March 2013, 06:01 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Not so offhand, Allan, To tell you the truth, i was divided into posting this piece in the Ethno section or in here. The decoration also looks Eastern to me but, somehow, i was influenced by the (French looking ?) extensions and by the fact that it was acquired in France. Will copy this thread to the Ethno Forum.

23rd March 2013, 10:56 PM	#3
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	The curly spikes are very thick. Is it cast? The thickness of the spikes makes me think "Victorian replica" or similar. How large/heavy is it?

1st April 2013, 05:44 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much for those precious pictures, Dirk. Assuming i have a descendant of those early specimens, the problem now is guessing how late my variant is. Maybe the Islamic decoration probability is now less evident.

1st April 2013, 06:03 PM	#8
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	I will keep my eyes open. because i like polearms and lances best maybe i get once another clue